I am surprised to see that there is still an anti-Tannehill contingent in here, which blows my mind. So I am asking them, what will it take for you to admit that Tannehill is a stud QB and can take this team to a superbowl? Seems that all the experts think more highly of him than his own fans. So I am curious, what will it take? It's obvious that 11th in the NFL in passing with 4045 yards, 27 TDs, 12 INT and a 93 QB rating wasn't enough. What do you need to see to realize he is an elite QB?
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Then, maybe he'd still only have just LBs and FinO left to win over.Undisputed, Disnardo, the 23rd and 9 others like this. -
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I feel ya. I for one think Tannehill is 2nd tier right now, top ten for sure and probably top 7 this year.
But you have to understand brah, the last 16 times we have fallen for the pretty girl at the bar (ie QB's) we get all happy and then she smiles at us and bats those baby blues and whisper sensually in our ear "take me to bed or lose me forever" and we think OHHH! OHHH! MY GAWD!!!! SHE"S GOURGEOUS AND SHE'S MINE!!!!
And you get her home and all her clothes come off and....wait, sniff, sniff, awww gag gag gag what is that smell!?!?!
Or her schlong is longer than yours...
Or it's cold fish and a good hard cry after...
Or her husband comes busting in and knocks you out...
16 flippin times in a row.
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I see very little anti-Tannehill sentiment. There were maybe 5 posters that had a negative opinion of his contract, and almost none of them were regular posters. The opinions here range from average to top 5.
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I have him above average, and far better than many of the qb's out there, but not top 5. I'd be really w/ a top 8-ish finish by him (assuming of course a playoff win).
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Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member
I'm hoping everyone in my FF league here in Shehack ville keeps thinking hes mediocre til after the 4th rd anyway
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The only thing holding him back is an offensive line that has failed to protect him. An elite O Line will give us an elite Tannehill.
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There are some people who will only say that a QB is good if the team is one of the winningest in the league (in spite of the very flawed logic behind that). There are others who would throw away a "7" because he isn't a "10". Honestly, no matter how well Tannehill does, an no matter how well the team does, there will be detractors. Hell, Peyton Manning and Dan Marino have haters, and they're the best two QBs of my lifetime, IMO.
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I haven't seen many Tannehill haters, but with that said, stats don't freaking matter. He has to be able to lead this team to ultimate victory. He hasn't even gotten us into the playoffs yet and you're ready to call him the elite?
Seems you are on the exact opposite side of the spectrum of these ghosts you're calling out.
Well unfortunately for you... After like 13 or 14 seasons of HELL at the position Dolphins fans have started to take the "show me first" stance. Can you blame them?
Tannehill said judge him on wins... and I absolutely will. Cause nothing else matters but winning and losing. Take your stats and shove em. Your stats didn't win us the DEN GB and DET games last year did they?Rock Sexton and gunn34 like this. -
make plays, under pressure, on the road, and I'll have peace, but he's def the best qb we've had since dan.
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i think most people believe in tannehill or think he has the talent to be a very good qb. there are very few "haters" i have seen on here and like what has been said they weren't really regular posters. for those people tannehill could have 50 td 30 of them to himself, while rushing for 3,000 yards and recording 17 sacks and still would say he sucked.
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And you tell someone to take their stats and shove em? Maybe paint an accurate picture before calling someone else out. Your post is filled with bias.Undisputed, Puka-head, GARDENHEAD and 4 others like this. -
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Love the kid and am very happy he's our QB. The last 16 schlubs have ZERO to do with RT...it's not like it's the same team or organization that existed during their tenures. No relation whatsoever...it's not RT's fault people can't get over previous failures at the position.
Elite...I think he's trending that direction and I believe he can get there, but not yet. If he can continue his camp performance through the season, you'll start seeing pundits claim that status for him, even if arguable. But no matter what, save a Super Bowl win, there are some who will never buy in, 'cuz he's not Marino. I've accepted that and moved on.Undisputed, Puka-head and resnor like this. -
Get a playoff win and I'll be all in. I think he is the best we have had since Marino, and think he'll keep getting better. He'll start to recognize defenses now and be able to think faster once he gets in a groove with the WR's. That'll mean less sacks and better conversion percentage on 3rd downs.
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It takes more than a QB to make the playoffs and win games. I'm not sure how much more of these statements I can take.
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With that said he also plays really well at big moments, but I think early in his career it's been more of the not stepping up when necessary (which at times is out of his control - see my statements about o-line). -
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Mostly it's the wins. While wins are obviously a team stat and everybody knows the QB gets too much credit or blame for wins and losses, people will still judge QBs on wins. It's simplistic and stupid, but that's what people do.
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The bashing reduced significantly during this camp.
Hint: deep ball.Undisputed, 77FinFan and resnor like this. -
Basically, most of those who aren't yet sold on Tannehill tend to see him as an average QB, but still the best we've had since Marino, and with a very good surrounding cast fully capable of taking us into the playoffs. And given the Dolphins' sad history in the last decade or more, who can blame them?? Personally, I think he'll prove this year he's top 10 even to this "Tannehill is average" crowd.. we'll see.
As far as the OP's question, people should note that the negativity this offseason is VASTLY reduced from last year. So what will it take? Just perform well enough that most fans think the problem lies elsewhere, even if we don't have a winning season. Yes, the QB has outsized influence on wins, but I think most fans can see when the problem isn't the QB. Well.. here's hoping 2015 is a year where not only does Tannehill perform well, but we have a winning season so that this (seemingly endless) debate about him begins to fade.Fin-Omenal and gunn34 like this. -
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Cbrad, you came around in December of 2014, or so I assume from your join date. Meaning, you missed two seasons worth of garbage in regards to Tannehill. People who myself and others are arguing with, want to now change the narrative to no one ever bashed Tannehill, and we're all making this stuff up. I'm telling you, it was almost constant, from long-time posters, to new accounts that now no longer post, it was a constant stream of rehashing disproven arguments: Tannhill can't throw a deep ball. Tannehill needs to get rid of the ball quicker. Tannehill takes too many sacks. Tannehill makes his oline look worse than it really is. Tannehill can't win big games. On and on and on. A few of us kept arguing these things, and got labeled homers. It's not that there are a ton of people that want Tannehill to fail...it's that there's a bunch of people who early on were not patient with a guy with 14 college starts, and expected, I guess, for Tannhill to come in and play like Dan Marino in his first season as a QB. When that didn't happen, there were plenty of people calling for Matt Moore to start, and claiming that we needed to draft another QB in the next draft.
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And while I agree a lot of that stuff was "garbage", there was still merit to many of the arguments because you can't really tease out exactly what was the QB's fault and what was not (as you like to point out it's a team game, and the QB is a member of that team).
For example, there's no denying there were some blatant "deep" ball misses by Tannehill where the WR was totally open. My view is the few such throws just stuck in memory so well (some were really blatantly off) that it colored the perception of Tannehill unfairly. And thanks to many (including you), we showed that the problem was really a Tannehill-Wallace issue and not necessarily the deep ball per se.
I also remember Tannehill taking sacks where he should have thrown the ball away. That happened quite a bit, but that's really improved. Yes, the OL was a problem back then (for sure!) but the QB was partly at fault for many sacks too, etc..
So in general, I think that primarily because we fans don't have much patience (I totally agree on that issue), the problems were overblown and colored people's perception of Tannehill in a negative direction. But most of the problems identified WERE problems resnor, even if they should have been described in a more context-specific way.
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On this board, and probably any fan board when it comes to the QB there are always 3 types of viewpoints and fans:
Always Defend: No matter how bad or poorly they perform, this camp will always make excuses. They will cherry pick stats to make their QB look like Peyton Manning (there was actually a Chad Henne thread that did this). They will blame other players, coaches, system, etc.
Objective: Self explanatory. Will point out flaws and strengths, but their perception of the QB is usually a fair one based on performance.
The Prove it Club: Outside of an Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning type QBs this camp is always going to be negative to varying degrees about the QB until they prove it.
We all think we are in the objective camp. But we are all fans, and being objective is hard. I'd say most of us, myself included, fall into one of the outer categories. I'm a pretty big Tannehill homer, but I think he's earned it.Fin-Omenal, 77FinFan and USArmyFinFan like this. -
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I will admit I was one of those who wasn't high on Tannehill coming out of college. I preferred the Dolphins draft Kuechly in the first round and Wilson in the second round. While I still would have taken those two picks over Tannehill, I will admit Tannehill has certainly developed into a much better QB than I ever envisioned he would.
I still have no idea if he is the type QB who can lead this team to a SB win. That will only be determined once the team actually first makes the playoffs and we see how he performs when he gets the team to that level.
He has proved that he is the best QB the Dolphins have had since Marino and right now he is certainly in the top half of the starting QB's in the NFL. If he continues to develop as he has the last three years, I can see him being a top 7-8 QB in the league in the next few years.
Tannehill has stated that he should be judged by his number of wins. While it is a team game, top tier QB's are able to consistently lead their teams to victory in the closing minutes of tight games. This is one area of the game Tannehill certainly needs to show his leadership skills more than he has the past three seasons.
As a Dolphin fan, I am happy Tannehill is the QB of this team. He has proven to be a much more capable NFL QB then I thought he would be three years ago. I'll admit I was wrong about him. Now with the talent around him, he will hopefully prove me wrong in regards to me stating on several occasions that he would never lead the Dolphins to a Super Bowl victory.
While there are still areas of his game which need to improve. The reality is that as Dolphin fans we are fortunate to have him as our teams QB and as much as I hated Ireland as the teams GM, even I will admit the drafting of Tannehill was by far the best pick Ireland ever made as the teams GM.huck1974, dolfan7171, MonstBlitz and 4 others like this. -
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Cbrad...one of things that I get accused of, is ignoring certain things, things that perhaps I referred to as "garbage." My issue has never been people pointing out flaws in Tannehill's game. It was that they pointed out these things, and acted as if they were set in stone, and would never get better, and used them as fuel for the argument that Tannehill would not be a successful, high profile QB. I do believe that there are flaws in his game...there are flaws in every QB's game. My arguments have always been about whether or not Tannehill was as bad as some painted him. A young QB, with very limited college starts, should not have the book written on him in the first two or three seasons. So, it's been very frustrating for me to see people do such things. I also take exception with some types of statements, like "the QB was responsible for many sacks." I watch the games. I don't see him being responsible for "many" sacks. Sure, there were some sacks here and there where I couldn't believe he took it. However, EVERY QB has that happen. I was livid, however, when I would see defenders coming from multiple places with only a four man rush. I could go on and on. I just think that too many people are looking for a "perfect" QB...as if that even exists.
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The "evaluating a QB in 3 years" thing is very interesting. I was a lurker here when Tannehill was picked. I remember a LOT of posters agreeing (mostly during that first offseason) that you can't evaluate him in one year or even two. Of course, once the season started all that went away and there were precious few that kept that stance. As I said, I didn't pay attention to who said what, but there was no question success/failure of the moment trumped a longer term outlook by most posters.
Anyway, while I agree with you on the OL being primarily at fault for most of Tannehill's sacks, I'd still say there were "many" sacks where Tannehill deserves some fault. It's not a big issue in the grand scheme of things, but we'll have to disagree on that.resnor likes this. -
If you go back and read historical threads the evidence is there. There are many posters on this board who always defend, regardless of track record or talent. There are many posters on this board who are mainly negative. And there is a large amount who float around in the middle, dipping in and out of the outer categories at times.Fin-Omenal and jw3102 like this. -
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