Would u Take Vontae back?
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He is a Free Agent after the season..just for insurance if we can not sign grimes to a good deal for both sides.
DisgustipateSupporterNo? I'm not paying a bunch of money for the same old Vontae Davis on the basis of the Colts game.
ExplosionsInDaSkyForum VeteranI would welcome him back but he wouldn't want to come back. Besides i'll take Grimes 7 days a week over Vontae Davis...We better re-up with him.
xphinfanxForum VeteranWe should ask his grandma.
That's why they play the games!:yes:
smahtazForum VeteranI've always liked Vontae. I just don't think he is smart enough to play in this defense.
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Unlucky 13SupporterI'd take him back as a second corner at a reasonable salary. I doubt that will happen though. Sean Smith - never.
Boik14SupporterI never really wanted him gone but Id rather have Grimes. If youre giving me Grimes at say 7M and Vontae at 5M its not a debate (grimes all day). If youre telling me Grimes wants 10 and Vonate at 5 or 6M then maybe ill take another chance on Vonate's potential.
KB21SupporterThis would actually be an interesting debate.
If you look at Vontae's grades during his career, using PFF's grading system:
2009 -- +5.7
2010 -- +10.7
2011 -- +2.2
2012 -- -0.8
2013 -- +15.4
Vontae was an ascending player after his first two years in the league. Then in year 3, he really dropped off. In his 4th year, he was traded after showing up to camp out of shape, and that lead to an injury plagued 4th season that turned out to be his worst. This year, he's the 3rd highest rated corner in football according to PFF's grading system. My personal opinion is that he is playing the way I felt he would play in Miami as he was ascending early in his career.
He's the debating point.
Brent Grimes is 30. Vontae Davis is 25. Who would you rather give a 5 year contract to?
PhinFan1968SupporterI'd take him back in a heartbeat. Always dug the guy.
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finfansince72SupporterI wouldn't mind having him back at all, he has played well this year. He's one of the higher rated corners in the league. He does get beat at times so he's not worth a ton of money but if he was a reasonably priced free agent theres no reason to be against signing him. He's not great so a big contract is absurd but depending on the money, why not? I don't see the reason to hate the guy.
I'd rather have Grimes on a short term deal which is how I think things will play out though.
Boik14Supporter"KB21 wrote:
This would actually be an interesting debate.
If you look at Vontae's grades during his career, using PFF's grading system:
2009 -- +5.7
2010 -- +10.7
2011 -- +2.2
2012 -- -0.8
2013 -- +15.4Vontae was an ascending player after his first two years in the league. Then in year 3, he really dropped off. In his 4th year, he was traded after showing up to camp out of shape, and that lead to an injury plagued 4th season that turned out to be his worst. This year, he's the 3rd highest rated corner in football according to PFF's grading system. My personal opinion is that he is playing the way I felt he would play in Miami as he was ascending early in his career.
He's the debating point.
Brent Grimes is 30. Vontae Davis is 25. Who would you rather give a 5 year contract to?
Long term you go Vontae if Grimes money is outrageous. If theyre both outrageously priced then Grimes is probably safer and more consistent. Grimes might be on his last payday though so he might be looking to max out
"TooGoodForDez wrote:
Vontae sucks as a corner.
Facts? Or just trolling? Because statistically almost nothing backs that up.
TooGoodForDezNew Member"Boik14 wrote:
Facts? Or just trolling? Because statistically almost nothing backs that up.
Eye test
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Clark KentForum Veteran"KB21 wrote:
This would actually be an interesting debate.
If you look at Vontae's grades during his career, using PFF's grading system:
2009 -- +5.7
2010 -- +10.7
2011 -- +2.2
2012 -- -0.8
2013 -- +15.4Vontae was an ascending player after his first two years in the league. Then in year 3, he really dropped off. In his 4th year, he was traded after showing up to camp out of shape, and that lead to an injury plagued 4th season that turned out to be his worst. This year, he's the 3rd highest rated corner in football according to PFF's grading system. My personal opinion is that he is playing the way I felt he would play in Miami as he was ascending early in his career.
He's the debating point.
Brent Grimes is 30. Vontae Davis is 25. Who would you rather give a 5 year contract to?
Which is why he never should of been traded. Even if his 3rd year wasn't spectacular, he was still our best corner and still lead the team in turnovers, at a very young age. I still don't understand why the team thought it was a good idea to give up on a 24 year old 1st round pick, with great upside. I remember this board arguing Richard Marshall was the better player too lol. That was cute then and now. Dolphins/Ireland made a mistake getting rid of him.
As far as signing a CB goes, I imagine Sam Shields is in the discussion, assuming he doesn't get the franchise tag. Obviously a very good cb and has ties to Philbin.
And I don't know how this discussion has turned into Grimes V. Davis when we could of had both... VD played RCB in college and had played that side sporadically with us. I think he's playing there now. So we still could of let SS24 go, picked up Grimes, and paired the two together, for a very strong CB tandem. The best since Madison and Surtain, certainly...
Rocky RaccoonStaffYeah, this is a tough one. I still think Vontae is a good corner and he's younger, but Grimes has been better and he's smarter.
Dol-Fan DupreeForum VeteranI would take him back. Would rather have Grimes over him though if that is the choice. It would help the outside run defense.
Holland is a huge upgrade over McCain
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padre31Luxury BoxNo, and suspect he winds up in SF anyway
VD is not a serious professional football player, going all Deej there but that is my take on him.
rafaelForum VeteranNo, he's an ill-fit for the system and immature. He may grow out of the immaturity, but he'll probably always be a poor fit schematically.
phinswolverinesrocketsForum Veterannope. what we need to do is get someone to coach up the 2 cbs we just drafted.
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Coral ReeferNew Member"dolfan40 wrote:
He is a Free Agent after the season..just for insurance if we can not sign grimes to a good deal for both sides.
Only if we bring in Grandma to coach him.
RIP Jetssuck
djphinfanSupporterI loved my cute lil VD...I didn't know he was such an ungrateful professional though..
Another player that this coaching staff couldn't transform it seems, yet the player comes back to be very productive..
Hmmm.Dansby, Vontae, Marshall..
This is one thread I don't think you can turn into a bash the GM thread..
He replaced a good young corner with bad habits, with a superior player and pro in Grimes..
Do we not think that a head coach has the power to inspire his players to change their ways?
