That can not be accurate. $20.3 million a year? 1.25 million a game? Please tell me I am seeing it wrong....
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Possibly the worst nickname yet on this site...and that's saying alot.
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Oh great, now we're making stuff up to complain about. Gotta love this place.
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what would have been the option in?
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His salary against the cap is $11,600,000 this season. For a five year starting QB, that salary is probably at the lower end of the scale.
The $20.3 million is his cap hit in 2017 if he is still on the roster. Of course at this point I would say the odds of him being on the roster next year with that cap hit is much less than 50%. Unless he suddenly becomes a much better QB over the next 12 games then he has been over the last four and a quarter years, I really don't see him being on the roster in 2017.Pandarilla, Bumrush, dolphin25 and 3 others like this. -
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I think he (Gase) is starting to see it. I believe he thought T-hill had the tools to be better and he could steer him in that direction, but the more he watches him daily, I have to believe he's come to the same conclusion the majority of the world has come to...he isn't very good as a starting QB.
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That’s actually one of the big reasons I’m off the Tannehill bandwagon. If I wouldn’t be scared to face you, that says a lot. He’s got clear holes in his game physical and mentally. A big part of why he’s not had any competition over the last 5 years is that he’s been on a team that’s got such low expectations. It’s likely that as part of a more stable franchise he’d have been replaced or over-taken by this point.
Miami is objectively one of the less reliable franchises in the NFL right now. If they don’t see Tannehill as a starting caliber QB, who will? Cleveland has good coaching and lots of draft picks with which to work. They might need a QB but why in the world would they tie themselves to an average to below-average veteran? It doesn’t make sense from their perspective. Chip Kelly and the 49ers might give him a shot but it’s unlikely they’d give Miami anything for him. They’d probably just wait for his release so it’s kind of moot. Even if he went there, Miami wouldn’t be schedule to face him until 2020 which would require he start for 4 years. That’s highly unlikely. -
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Tanny did the same thing in NY. Bad QB and gave him a huge "confidence" contract. Here we are in Miami. Bad QB given a huge "confidence" contract. So get ready for Idzik to come in and cut everyone and faildraft for 2 years when tanny is done screwing the franchise.
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2. The going rate for a starting QB in this league isn't cheap. Furthermore, the contract, like many other QB's have, gave him money up front with little guarantees on the back end in case Miami wanted to cut him if he didn't evolve into a franchise QB. There was nothing stupid about it. It made sense to lock him up with the ability to cut him later at little cost.
Tannenbaum has been questionable at best, both past and present (this years rosters additions and subtractions were ugly), but I don't think he mishandled Tannehill's deal at all. What Tannenbaum and the Miami organization (prior to his arrival) have done is mishandle is the offensive line.
Tannehill is still under constant pressure and duress. In 5 years, Miami hasn't made significant improvements in blocking, despite FA signings and draft picks being spent. There's no chance of any QB coming into Miami and having success when they can't get through their reads and progressions because they're facing a four man rush that gets home, while the back 7 drop into coverage. Tannehill has shown the ability to play really well when he's protected, as rare as that is. As far as bringing in another QB via FA/Draft/Etc... It's going to be groundhog day until Miami fixes the offensive line.
EDIT: Fun Fact. Albert, Pouncey, and James have played a total of 7 games together. Miami is 6-1 in those games. The sole loss coming from Green Bay when Joe got queasy and gifted Green Bay a timeout after a sack that made it 4th and long.
- If Albert and Pouncey can stay healthy...
- If James can figure his **** out asap...
- Add in a dash of Tunsil...
If all three things come together, I think there's a huge chance this thread wins the overreaction award by seasons end.Pandarilla, miami365, smahtaz and 5 others like this. -
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Told him he was gonna get banned lol.
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Miami has certainly been bottom tier as pass protecters, but bad pass blocking is quite common in the NFL...you have about 12 fanbases who claim their OL is the worst in football history. Fact of the matter is it is becoming harder and harder to pass block. So to me? Assuming Ryan continues this play and is gone next season? You go out and get a mobile QB even if he is lacking in arm talent. Not many pocket passers can overcome today's OL struggles, time to counter this with a QB who can make chicken salad out of chicken ----.Rock Sexton and dolphin25 like this. -
Yeah, Matt Ryan is certainly comparable in talent level of his team over his career.
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I know the sky is falling around here, as it has been for a long time now, but my opinion on Ryan hasn't really changed. He's a decent to solid quarterback who sometimes flashes brilliance but overall is too inconsistent. I believe he's good enough to win with but not someone who can carry the team himself consistently.
I also believe the circumstances around him have often been poor, but I know that's just an "excuse" to those who don't like him. It is what it is. No one's mind is gonna change unless he soars unquestionably or falters unquestionably. It's also only been four games with Adam Gase. Forgive me if I'd like to see him in this offense a little longer.Mcduffie81, resnor, eltos_lightfoot and 4 others like this. -
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I've always wanted him over Jake Long. We had Vernon Carey coming off a year he graded well as an LT after sliding over. Plus LT along with WR are the most overrated positions. anyway, we didn't pick him but it's another example of us trying to tear a good qb down to a lower level (not you but those who did). -
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As for Carr, sure he can take a turn for the worse but he's vastly improved each year as well. Some guys have mojo, others don't. Despite what the numbers say. Carr's got it. The one thing about Carr is, he's never been a turnover machine.
The one thing about Carr though, and my same criticism about Tanny before this year, is his ypa is pretty low. With a 68% completion rate, and a 7.0 ypa, that is some pretty low efficiency.cbrad likes this. -
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I really don't have any issues with the way we've let things play out with regards to Tannehill. We drafted him and let him play and we have given him until year 5 to show that he can be our starting Qb. He's had his moments and he's had good seasons so there was never any reason to just dump him or draft another Qb really high. He has a year in a new system to show he can play, if he doesn't then we move on or at least get serious competition for him into camp whether thats a draft pick, trade, free agent, etc.
Its hard with Ryan because he's really frustrating at times but then he's really good at times and he obviously has a lot of talent. It may wind up that he's just too inconsistent and we need to find a better Qb. Who knows, he may make some adjustments in the new system and wind up staying here long term. The deal we signed him to was not ridiculous or damaging long term. We have ourselves set up to give him 5-6 seasons to show he can play and play well, I don't have an issue with that considering that he has played well for stretches. If he was just a complete bust then obviously we should have moved on already but he hasn't been a complete bust. There are tons of examples of Qbs that were in the league for years before actually putting it together. Its tough to be patient, especially when you see young Qbs putting it together earlier but it is what it is.
To me I'm more concerned with the front office and Tannenbaum in particular than I am with Ryan or Gase. If we can't put together a complete team it doesn't matter if we have a HOF Qb, we aren't going anywhere. We are constantly shuffling the offensive line, we haven't drafted well for stretches and obviously we've had some terrible coaching staffs here. -
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