That's why, while I thought this game hurt, I'm not that pissed. That finish was top notch. Sometimes the other guy just wins. This time, the other guy is arguably the best QB in the game.

 

Fascinating metrics and good points. Having said that, there are a lot of stats that support why we lose games and continue to be let down as fans.

 

You and your passer rating spreadsheets...try watching a game.

Yes Rodgers played great...but we certainly set it up for him, no matter what stats you try to fling out there.

The reason that WPA may be almost unheard of, is because teams don't give them a free pass to do it...like we did. He took what we gave him...and we gave him a LOT.

Not everything can be answered with passer rating and WPA...no matter how much you think it so.

 

I saw this thread on Finheaven. The OP concluded that because Davone Bess had a higher WPA than Calvin Johnson, he was a better playmaker.

 

Actually we were set to 100% lose the game when we gave the ball back to Rodgers.

Seriously we have seen it time in time again. You cannot give the ball back to a great team because you will lose. Team is no better off than it was 5-10 years ago. Its truly sad. Still need a head coach.

 

Very true...because they don't have the clutch needed to put the players in the right position to succeed during crunch time...proven in spades today.

I wonder if Marino threw something when the fake spike happened....

 

No matter what the stats say, Rodgers plays at an entirely different level than other QB's in the game. If it was Manning in that pocket, he was sacked 10 times today. If it was Rivers or Brees or almost anyone else, they'd gain 1-5 yards on each scramble or throw an incomplete pass. Despite us shutting down Rodgers over and over again, he was just too good to be denied.

Does that make me happy? Hell no! I can live with it though.

 

I think those are pretty cool stats.....to be honest, and yeh...Rogers is amazing.

 

and there it is! Guess what, there's about 30 other teams in that same position as us, because Rodgers is one of the best in the game. Oh... sorry... you can get back to bashing our QB now since we all knew that's where this was ultimately going.

The biggest reason the Packers won today, if you watched the game, was our own inability to control the game a the end with good, effective playcalling, and execution to run out the clock. Everyone knows if Rodgers got the ball back Green Bay would likely win. Everyone but our coaches, who really didnt seem very interested in calling effective plays to try and wind down the clock. Stats... pfft..

 

Needed a long analytic post to tell us why they won. Lol

 

Your point would be valid if there weren't 20+ other QB's that are better than RTH.

This loss wasn't all on him but you can't throw 2 INT's and expect to win football games. You can't miss wide open players on the goal line. You can't have a passer rating of 15 through half of a game.

I don't think anyone here wants RTH to fail. We all need him to be a franchise QB if Miami is ever going to be good. The reality is he is not a franchise QB.

 

It is much easier to swallow being beaten in the last 3 seconds by Rodgers, than Oakland's back up QB...

I am not happy about the loss, but the way we started the game and played the first half, I did not think we would be winning the game with 3 seconds to go... and letting Rodgers have about 3 minutes to operate a comeback, was really my issue... You needed to put them away and getting a 1st down was a priority, but our coaching staff decided to not to win... and punted... I am sure non of the offensive guys approved of being conservative on that last O drive of the game...

 

My point has nothing to do with Ryan Tannehill actually, aside from the OP's obvious desire to bash him in every thread eventually. It's only a matter of time before it comes out. We've been through this here with him before, just under a different name.

My point had nothing to do with Tannehill, my point was that our coaching staff, failed to put us in a good position to win the game, all we really needed was a first down. Instead we were as stupid and as vanilla as we could be, and content to punt the ball and give the best QB in the game the opportunity to beat us.

Again, that point, has nothing to do with Tannehill... he's irrelevant in this to me. When it mattered, in the second half, he did enough to put us in position to win, after a miserable start. It was our poor coaching, clock management, and playcalling that put the ball back into the hands of Aaron Rodgers to put the nail in the coffin. I get that the players didn't execute on that drive, but we didnt exactly put them in the best positions to succeed.

 

That's a common misconception....Tannehill doesn't compete against Rodgers or any other quarterback. In fact, Tannehill doesn't call the plays either, or have the luxury of second-guessing the coaches when they call a designed deep pass to Hartline (our slowest receiver). So while I agree with you that Tannehill has a lot of growing to do (or not do if we go another route), you can't blame the loss today on him.

Tannehill played a bad first half and we were down by 3. Rodgers played an incredible first half and he was up by 3. In the 4th quarter, Rodgers outplayed Tannehill by a wide margin, yet we were up by 7. So you can't place this solely on a quarterback- there were many factors involved with this loss....including a Green Bay team that was simply better than us.

 

The QB head-to-head crap is kindergarten-ish at best, and it immediately discredits what somebody is saying when it's based on that myth.

 

It was an across the board loss. The of really, really needed a 1st down that involved a couple of rushing plays. The ST can't give up a 15ish yard return on that punt. The first play, the D give up 11 yards on a rush that took almost no time off of the clock. Give up anything less than a first down and the clock is still running.

 

The first play took it down to the 2 minute warning. That means the D should have been expecting it, but the clock wouldn't have been running, regardless.

Finnegan deserves some horns for not protecting the boundary on the fake spike play, IMO.

100% of the Hall of Fame quarterbacks who started at Sun Life today walked out with victories. That's an underrated stat.

 

Here's one big reason, do we really need to be 10+ yards off the line on a fake spike?

 

Lol what kind of cushion is that

 

That was my single-most pissed off moment of the game...when your legend QB creates something, and you let it bite you in the ***, it's a fail from Philbin all the way down to the players. Had they played up, maybe he spikes it, maybe not, had he still thrown it, chance at a pick there.

 

We shouldn't let the coverage called overtake the responsibility of the cornerback on the play, IMO. Protect the boundary and make the tackle. Cover 3 vs. Cover 1 press or whatever isn't going to change what happens on that play if the corner doesn't make the play that is right there for him to make.

 

I think Finnegan was just trying not to blow the tackle... lot harder to tackle cleanly when you have to close that much space.

 

If so, he was thinking too hard, IMO. He didn't have to tackle cleanly; just redirecting the guy for a teammate to tackle in bounds would have been enough.

 

I was actually mad at the Packers for running so much clock all the way down and not taking a timeout. They did the fake spike and let it run all the way down to 6 seconds. I mean it was like you have to give us time to run a couple more plays.

 

Biggest reason is the QB. He sucks

 

RT had us winning the game, the d couldn't stop Rodgers on that last drive, even I saw the fake spike coming. We need coaching.

 

The drive where we were tied 10-10 and Rodgers made that throw for a first down was amazing.

 

The Packers didn't have any timeouts to take.

 

I had thought we had one left.

 

You did...in the form of Philbin.

 

I think he took that one because he thought you guys didn't have the right personnel in there. Your defense was gassed as well.

 

The Packers needed a TD to win, there's actually no reason NOT to give a big cushion. The problem is that Finnegan allowed te WR to get out of bounds. He actually jumped outside to force it to the field but then he either panicked or got to aggressive and let the guy around him. That's not on Coyle, Philbin or anyone else.

You and I both know that if Finnegan was in press and allowed a TD there would be millions of posts about how he should have given a cushion ms kept the play in front of him at all costs.

 

Thats how the game goes. You lose and whatever you did was wrong, so says the second guessers.

 

Going man-to-man at the goal line against Rodgers is an awful idea. They scored like it was a practice or pick up game on that game winning TD, like it was the easiest thing in the world. We can hate on Wheeler but that was an awful scheme to be in. Lots of questionable decisions helped the Packers regardless of stats.

 

nah man you don't give 11 yard cushions in the red zone..

 

They did stop them, forced fumble and sack, then the coaches called time out, Dolphins beat them strait up, just didn't recover the fumble, they guy got beat recovered it, that ain't winning..should of won if it weren't for the coaches.