Boyer is Out - Search Begins

"Fishhead wrote:

He would be getting a lot more control than any of those guys. The Texans have 12 picks in this draft (including #2), they have two first rounders next year, they have over $40 million to spend, and he gets along with upper management there. They also have a handful of good young players, including a great rb in Pierce. He also said that the compensation for him would be a mid first round pick, not necessarily in this years draft.

O'Brien was HC AND GM. Not sure how you get more control that unless you're the Owner.

"M1NDCRlME wrote:

O'Brien was HC AND GM. Not sure how you get more control that unless you're the Owner.

The 2020 season in which O’Brien was fired was also the season they made the Tunsil trade, as well as traded DeAndre Hopkins. I was just looking at that year’s preseason moves…it’s no wonder he was fired! He sold the farm!

But it’s also telling of the organization as well. They traded away their future in draft picks, had nothing to build on and still fired Culley and Smith when they had nothing to work with or build upon.

Hence my original statement stands…if I was Payton I’d avoid Houston like the plague!!

"M1NDCRlME wrote:

O'Brien was HC AND GM. Not sure how you get more control that unless you're the Owner.

Ok, other than O’Brien. All the rest is still true, in addition to the fact that they are in a weak division. Also, he can choose his qb of the future (and get them on a rookie contract), as opposed to being stuck with Russel Wilson or Kyler Murray.

PS. I’m not saying he should go there, but there are compelling arguments to be made for considering the job in Houston.

"sandcastle wrote:

Flores is also rumored for the Cardinal's HC position as their new GM has Patriot ties. Dolphins may end up swapping their Patriot defensive coaches for Vance Joseph and Matt Burke.

Lol.. i just dont think flores coming off a year where he barely made an impact on the steelers as he didnt call plays, is right for any football team at the moment.. lets be honest here, what coaching staff is he going to assemble? Whos going to want to work for him? Boyer?

If im the cardinals im locking in on demeco ryans.. i think demeco has more to offer this year.. i think flores will eventually get an opportunity but he needs to build on it more then it will come.. dont go chasing the money just because.. you better be ready for that division if you step to the plate..

just remember your starting quarterback is Colt Mccoy. Murray got injured on december 12 and didnt have the surgery until 2 weeks ago.

"KeyFin wrote:

I would love that, but I can't see it happening. Don't forget that Flores is the reason Ross was suspended for most of the season...I doubt that relationship can be repaired.

Lol Ross is the reason Ross was suspended.

"Piston Honda wrote:

Lol Ross is the reason Ross was suspended.

I agree but had Flores never filed the lawsuit…

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Lol.. i just dont think flores coming off a year....

The more important item is that Vance Joseph will become available if Cardinals hire a defensive-oriented HC. Joseph was a key part of the Gase hiring and his quick promotion as the Denver HC may have quickened the defense's decline. Grier was around when Dolphins pull out at the last moment of retaining Bowles, who had Arians heading to the airport to join him in Miami. There may be a pattern as Joseph was interviewed for HC position last and didn't get the job, which is similar to McDaniel failing to obtain the OC position the previous year before succedding.

The biggest impact to the defense may be that we've moved away from the Patriot way, which was suppose to deliver defenders whom can play multiple. This required larger LBs and the Dolphins were only successful with obtaining or developing with Elendon Roberts; a player that shouldn't play the majority snaps in a passing league. If our LBs are off ball and deeper as other teams, it may be better suite Baker, Tindall, and Riley. If Van Ginkel is retained, he and Cameron Goode add lots of wingspan to narrow passing lanes.

As for Flores, I think it turned into a bad match as Grier/Ross are very good at long term / strategic items, such as having up to Plan D for QB while allowing Flores to have decision-making to execute on these more general strategic plans. Unfortunately, the decision-making went to Flores head and he made too many that degraded the team, such as getting rid of players that had trade value and replacing coaches with less skill ones. If Flores is hired by a GM that limits him as a HC / DC and pairs him with an OC, such as Greg Roman who was his first choice with Miami, then Brian may be successful.

"sandcastle wrote:

As for Flores, I think it turned into a bad match as Grier/Ross are very good at long term / strategic items, such as having up to Plan D for QB while allowing Flores to have decision-making to execute on these more general strategic plans.

Neither Ross nor Grier is good at anything long-term (in football). Ross has owned the team now for 15 years and we've been steadily mediocre during that time. The Dolphins under Ross have never done worse than 5-11 nor better than 11-5, and both of those occurred only once in 15 years. Overall win% = 48% since 2008. MEDIOCRE.

Only minor bright spot is we've had 3 winning seasons (barely) in a row now, first time since 2003. But so far there's no sign that either of them is good at building a franchise. And 15 years is plenty time to see what you can do.

"cbrad wrote:

And 15 years is plenty time to see what you can do.

And it’s an eternity for a fan base that’s desperate for a winner.

Dolphins request permission to interview Seahawks coach for DC:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/22/dolphins-vikings-request-interviews-with-sean-desai/amp/

"Vertical Limit wrote:

I heard Fangio and Sean Payton are pretty much interlocked.. wherever Sean signs, Vic will follow as a assistant Hc/DC role

Fangio will not go back to Denver as a DC

Our own linebacker coach ? Really ?

Still heavily ‘rumoured’ we have interest in Fangio. But no official interview to my knowledge.

I don't think it will be Fangio, would be ecstatic though if he comes here...

"Pennington's Limp Arm wrote:

Source confirms the Dolphins will interview current linebackers coach Anthony Campanile and Seahawks assoc. HC Sean Desai for their open defensive coordinator position

NFL Network on it first

— Marcel Louis-Jacques (@Marcel_LJ) January 23, 2023

Our own linebacker coach ? Really ?

Still heavily ‘rumoured’ we have interest in Fangio. But no official interview to my knowledge.

No reason to get upset at interviews - it's common to do it with internals. I would be severely disappointed if he was the hire though.

Im excited if we can get a top tier defensive coordinator like VIC. I know hes rumored to be with Sean Peyton but Miami would be entising for him with what we have going on. He would have complete control of the defense as McDaniel all alluded to him having a hands off approach to defense. Vic's getting older Florida sunshine and No State Taxes along with some good peieces on defense and if Grier will allow him to draft / pick his defensive players to make his system in Miami we might just be able to get him.

We can NOT go into the season with another rookie / unexperienced DC nor the Seahawks Defensives coordinator they sucked.

"Dorfdad wrote:

Im excited if we can get a top tier defensive coordinator like VIC. I know hes rumored to be with Sean Peyton but Miami would be entising for him with what we have going on. He would have complete control of the defense as McDaniel all alluded to him having a hands off approach to defense. Vic's getting older Florida sunshine and No State Taxes along with some good peieces on defense and if Grier will allow him to draft / pick his defensive players to make his system in Miami we might just be able to get him.

We can NOT go into the season with another rookie / unexperienced DC nor the Seahawks Defensives coordinator they sucked.

Desai wasn't the DC of Seattle, go look at his Bears' tenure.

According to local news, if the Eagles lose their DC to a head coaching job, they are going to try to persuade Fangio to stay and assume that role with the team.

Miami better get crackin’ if they really want this guy.

"JJ_79 wrote:

I don't think it will be Fangio, would be ecstatic though if he comes here...

That would be the smart and logical move, but smart and logical are not Grier's strength. Fangio is too high profile for Geier, we'll probably go with some obscure position coach candidate who doesnt threaten Grier's ego.

"hitman8 wrote:

That would be the smart and logical move, but smart and logical are not Grier's strength. Fangio is too high profile for Geier, we'll probably go with some obscure position coach candidate who doesnt threaten Grier's ego.

I don't think its really that, why would Fangio come here when he either has the choice of going with Payton wherever he winds up or to the Eagles because he's already a consultant there and it seems like they are going to lose their DC. Desai wouldn't be that bad I guess from what I heard about him, only real downside would be that he'll probably won't be here long because it seems like he's HC material.

"JJ_79 wrote:

I don't think its really that, why would Fangio come here when he either has the choice of going with Payton wherever he winds up or to the Eagles because he's already a consultant there and it seems like they are going to lose their DC. Desai wouldn't be that bad I guess from what I heard about him, only real downside would be that he'll probably won't be here long because it seems like he's HC material.

Yeah, no thanks. I want someone with experience and a track record of success as a DC, no more promotions and taking chances with unoroven coaches/players please.

"hitman8 wrote:

Yeah, no thanks. I want someone with experience and a track record of success as a DC, no more promotions and taking chances with unoroven coaches/players please.

Who would that be if they don’t get Fangio? Desai did a great Job when he was with the Bears and he is a Fangio disciple. I think we could do worse then him.

Add Kris Richard to the list of interviewees along with Desai and Fangio (who has been formalized as an interview).

Fangio obviously the white whale of the bunch, but he will have as many options as he wants. Desai and Richard as backup plans is solid so far. Both have DC experience and have been around good units.

"JJ_79 wrote:

Who would that be if they don’t get Fangio? Desai did a great Job when he was with the Bears and he is a Fangio disciple. I think we could do worse then him.

Mike Zimmer? Wade Phillips? Ejiro Evero is becoming a hot name for what he’s done with Denver’s defense the last couple of years, although it sounds like he’s on a head coaching track, as is Desai. I don’t see Evero getting the Broncos job, even if they whiff on Payton.

The problem for these younger guys is, there’s a glut of them now and there’s only so many HC jobs available each year. Add to the list the guys who are trying for a second chance, and the backup gets longer.

Not always reliable. But she is making it sound like Fins are going to push really hard for Fangio.

3 good candidates so far IMO.

"Fishhead wrote:

Mike Zimmer? Wade Phillips? Ejiro Evero is becoming a hot name for what he’s done with Denver’s defense the last couple of years, although it sounds like he’s on a head coaching track, as is Desai. I don’t see Evero getting the Broncos job, even if they whiff on Payton.

The problem for these younger guys is, there’s a glut of them now and there’s only so many HC jobs available each year. Add to the list the guys who are trying for a second chance, and the backup gets longer.

Was asking hitman, cause he wanted no part of Desai and it sounded like it was Fangio or bust for him.