Apparently he'll have surgery on a torn labrum in his right shoulder after the combine.
This is big news because it takes at least four to six weeks for the labrum to re-attach itself to the rim of the bone, and probably another four to six weeks to get strong. The likelihood is he'll be out till training camp.
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Ism hearing he slides a bit in the draft, and if so I really hope we draft him at 12
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To a GM it just sounds like he'll be on the field, if he had speed questions it might be a different thing.
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It is a bigger deal for football than perhaps basketball because of the pounding and the challenge to get your arm up all the way with pads on.
I had a torn labrum and had to have surgery (turned out to be a torn labrum, a bone spur that was starting to cut into my rotator cuff; and a partially torn bicep tendon). Arthroscopic - so that's a positive. It does take a long time and is a painful rehab (for the average person the recovery to full strength is estimated to be 9 months; but a good athlete can cut that in half). That would be about right.
But, playing with the tear can be difficult. I would find my shoulder would occasionally "catch" and not go all the way up. So, there's that .. ;)
Nevertheless, I don't think his stock would drop. He'll be ready by camp and he is big and strong otherwise. His main thing is how well he runs which is a bit of a question from what I've read and seen at times watching 'Bama all year (that could impact his speed a bit at the Combine - as one's upper body and shoulders can have an impact to some degree - just look at the power in sprinters). -
If he'll be back by training camp I don't think it'll be that big of a deal but I suppose it could be the difference between him going 10th overall and actually being available at 12.
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I think he falls and to be honest I don't want to draft a guy in the top 12 coming off an injury...
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I didn't think any corner was worth taking in the top 10.
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Dwight Howard has been playing with a torn labia. Not a big deal.
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So what is the likelihood that this would reoccur once it is fully healed?
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If it is surgically repaired properly and rehabbed properly, I don't think he'd have any more chance of tearing his labrum again than anyone else would have doing it the first time. KB would perhaps be able to shed more light on this, since he is a MD.DO.
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I tore something in my right shoulder about 12-13 yrs ago doing bench. Just warming up with about 245. I was on about the 8th rep, it went pop pop pop, and the weight was on my chest. Lucky there was someone nearby and he was there in an instant and had it off me. I never benched for a year, never went to a doctor about it. Whatever it was healed on it's own. I just had to start all over very light, and work up again. I continued doing other lifts in the meantime after just a short time off. Whatever I could do pain free. I always wondered if that was a labrum or rotator cuff.
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plastic?
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I think you were victimized by a drive by, Pappy. Were there any noticeable holes in your shoulder afterward?
If there was a popping sound it could've been a grade 3 muscle strain where the fibers were completely torn. But we'll need KB to verify. I don't think you would've "healed" a torn rotator or labrum without surgery in your case where you heard a popping sound but I could be wrong. I know mine was unbearable and couldn't even lift a glass of water. Tears don't really heal per se as far as I know; I believe they only scar over. However if it's a complete tear then you'd obviously need surgery.MrClean likes this. -
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Nope. It's has been fine since about 3 years after the incident. I don't lift conventional weights much these days though. I do mostly kettlebells. However I was able to gain back most of the strength I had prior to the injury, before switching to KBs.
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I'd think you'd have some lingering issues that occasionally show themselves if it were a moderate rotator and/or labrum tear. If it's something that seemed serious at the time and needed a while to heal itself I'd lean more toward a torn/detached muscle. Did it look odd afterward, any indentation, or bruising & swelling? Now I'm curious to see KB's assessment.
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The thing about a labral tear is that unless it is surgically repaired, that thing isn't going to heal. You can play with a shoulder harness on, but you run the risk of shoulder subluxation. I had a friend who tore his glenoid labrum during our sophomore year of high school. He wore the harness for the rest of his high school career, and he was getting some notice as a recruit on the offensive line. He saw one of the local orthopods, who told him that to play in college, he would need surgery. He turned down the opportunity to play in college. Today, he still can't bench press. If he does, his shoulder pops out.
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I wish I could remember which type of tear I had. I know it was a complete labral detachment, full rotator tear, and with humeral fractures close to the joint that needed to be cleaned out. I initially thought it was dislocated b/c I couldn't move it away from my side. Recovery was a ***** and annoying as heck to sleep with is what stands out the most.
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No lingering issues at all now. 13 yrs later. Actually, about 3 years after, I had what seemed like severe tendinitis or arthritis and I started using a really high grade of DMSO on my shoulders every morning. I got it from Dr Stanley Jacob in Portland who is considered the foremost authority on DMSO in the world. Anyway, after about 3 months time, I just gradually noticed no more pain in my shoulders, the left one had been hurting worse that past year, than the one that I felt go pop pop pop. I continued to use it for another 6 months or so, then stopped and the pain never returned. I use it still on rare occasions if I feel some extra stiffness in my shoulders, or any joint, such as elbows or knees. I was able to start benching pain free again and got close to where I'd been. Then lately most of the past year I've gotten into mainly just kettlebells.
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Did someone say 2-3 months before? Boomer? No way it is a minor tear then. I just had surgery, mine was torn completely and before I had it done I couldn't move my arm past 90 degrees horizontal. It would also frequently pop right out of the socket. The shoulder is held in mainly by the tendons as the socket isn't like the hip socket. As well it all depends which one he tore, there are different ones, which depending on how you move your arm may or may not cause pain.
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