For all the Tannehill haters/critics......

it feels like the redskin crowd is ready to turn on rg, I think his team already has.

kaeprnick will be fine, folks can jump off any time, which they seem to do after every poor game he plays.

"Destroyer wrote:

Better run blocking than the Dolphins. I watch a lot of Seahawks game because they are my NFC team.

I'd be a better run blocker w/ Lynch running the ball.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

Tannehill sucks at scoring and driving the team.

I think it should be noted Miami has the 4th lowest % of 1st downs that are a result of the run game (23%) and that we have the 3rd fewest rushing first downs in the league (44; 9 of which come from Tannehill himself). And I shouldn't have to mention the # of sacks this year which are surely playing a part.

"77FinFan wrote:

I'd be a better run blocker w/ Lynch running the ball.

I'll assume the point you are trying to make is that it has more to do with Lynch than it does their O Line since you didn't actually make one. I'll agree that he is vastly superior to our running backs but their O Line is still better at run blocking than the Dolphins.

Until RT gets decent protection, we really cant judge him fairly. He is running for his life, getting sacked and hurrying throws. No QB can look good behind this O-Line

"NY Finatic wrote:

Until RT gets decent protection, we really cant judge him fairly. He is running for his life, getting sacked and hurrying throws. No QB can look good behind this O-Line

Yet he is looking like a competent NFL QB. People around here act as if he's been performing like RG3 did tonight.

"rtl1334 wrote:

Yet he is looking like a competent NFL. People around here act as if he's been performing like RG3 did tonight.

He did look like RG3 tonight for a stretch. He's been better the last 2 games. Of course, he did not face the 9ers.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

He did look like RG3 tonight for a stretch. He's been better the last 2 games. Of course, he did not face the 9ers.

You're right. He dropped 310 with no garbage time stats and only 16 yards from his RBs against the number 1 defense that beat the aforementioned 49ers just two weeks ago.

"Sumlit wrote:

RG3 just overthrew the **** out of his receiver, he was wide open deep and the pass was nowhere near.

yup.... and Washington scored just 9 points and lost the game. Meanwhile Kaepernick nailed a handful of downfield throws in tight windows and put up 3 TDs.

"rtl1334 wrote:

Could you imagine what this board would be like if Tannehill was performing at the level of RG3, C-Kaep this season or even Luck the past month or so?

How would this board feel if we're 7-4 like Luck or Kaepernick? Pretty darn good. The only difference between the 4 teams is that in Miami, scoring 27 points makes us 10-1 right now. The other QB's don't have a defense like ours that shows up every week against anyone.

How would we feel with RG3? Better, since his offense is scoring an average of 26 points per game. With him at the helm, we're 9-2.

"rtl1334 wrote:

You're right. He dropped 310 with no garbage time stats and only 16 yards from his RBs against the number 1 defense that beat the aforementioned 49ers just two weeks ago.

Think who drafted Tanny... Then think of the poster you replied to.

There is your answer.

"cdnfinfan wrote:

I hope you are watching the game tonight.

For your info.Tannehill is ranked 33rd in at a 61.7 qb rating in the 4th quarter.Compeletion % is 48.Sad part is we only 32 teams in the nfl.The long ball is not his only problem.Same issues he had at texas am.

Young Qbs struggle. I think the Original Poster hit the nail on the head, you have to be patient. Tannehill has progressed this season, RGIII and Kap have regressed and both have strong running games to bail them out. The Skins suck but RGIII is a BIG part of the reason that they stink. Tannehill is the only offense we have and we are in better shape than the Skins. The Tannehill hate has just gotten silly and ridiculous at this point. There are some truly terrible posts and posters that frankly don't understand what they are watching when they watch games. Its to be expected on a message board but still kind of sad at this point. I've been critical of Tannehill at times, particularly on his deep throws, but he's shown that he can improve and honestly he has looked better than RGIII and Kap this year.

Griffin is a typical running qb the doesn't have the wheels anymore because of the knee injury.Kap was never a great qb to begin with.Once they fiqured out how to counter the pistol and make them stand in the pocket they have been exposed.I don't think either of these guys is going to be a great qb in the future.

I think people need to stop getting their panties in a bunch when people criticize Tannehill's play. I've done it, and will continue to do so. Guess what, I'm usually doing it while wearing a Tannehill jersey on Sundays... just because someone may criticize a play, a throw, a decision... doesn't mean they hate the kid... people really need to relax and stop treating him like their own newborn child. That being said, I agree some people are taking it way overboard... but some people are just overly negative by nature, just like some are overly positive... Just dont get why everyone gets so offended when someone's idea doesn't coincide with theirs.

"brandon27 wrote:

I think people need to stop getting their panties in a bunch when people criticize Tannehill's play. I've done it, and will continue to do so. Guess what, I'm usually doing it while wearing a Tannehill jersey on Sundays... just because someone may criticize a play, a throw, a decision... doesn't mean they hate the kid... people really need to relax and stop treating him like their own newborn child. That being said, I agree some people are taking it way overboard... but some people are just overly negative by nature, just like some are overly positive... Just dont get why everyone gets so offended when someone's idea doesn't coincide with theirs.

I get offended when idiots come up with "start Moore", it's a stupid comment and really that's Finheaven material. I expect better here.

"brandon27 wrote:

I think people need to stop getting their panties in a bunch when people criticize Tannehill's play. I've done it, and will continue to do so. Guess what, I'm usually doing it while wearing a Tannehill jersey on Sundays... just because someone may criticize a play, a throw, a decision... doesn't mean they hate the kid... people really need to relax and stop treating him like their own newborn child. That being said, I agree some people are taking it way overboard... but some people are just overly negative by nature, just like some are overly positive... Just dont get why everyone gets so offended when someone's idea doesn't coincide with theirs.

I have my doubts but I truly hope he becomes the guy because I want to win and thats the most important thing to me.The problem with this site is people will not take the homer glasses off and see it for whats it is.I am done will all the fighting on this subject because I already went through it with chad henne.Some of these people on this site now that bash chad henne because he is no longer on the team were his biggest supporters when he was here.
These are facts as of right now.He is now ranked 33rd in the league with qb rating 61.7 in the 4th quarter.His completion is 48% in the fourth quarter.Winners play thier best in crunch time thats what seperates the great ones from the average ones.I wont get into the long ball but these were his issues coming out of college.I know he needs a better line and proballly a better OC but I can't tell you he is our QB of the future based on these facts.Maybe he will turn it around the rest of the way and get us into the playoffs so I guess we should let it play out and see what happens.

"pumpdogs wrote:

I have my doubts but I truly hope he becomes the guy because I want to win and thats the most important thing to me.The problem with this site is people will not take the homer glasses off and see it for whats it is.I am done will all the fighting on this subject because I already went through it with chad henne.Some of these people on this site now that bash chad henne because he is no longer on the team were his biggest supporters when he was here.
These are facts as of right now.He is now ranked 33rd in the league with qb rating 61.7 in the 4th quarter.His completion is 48% in the fourth quarter.Winners play thier best in crunch time thats what seperates the great ones from the average ones.I wont get into the long ball but these were his issues coming out of college.I know he needs a better line and proballly a better OC but I can't tell you he is our QB of the future based on these facts.Maybe he will turn it around the rest of the way and get us into the playoffs so I guess we should let it play out and see what happens.

the problem is ppl that think winning games relies solely on the QB.

ppl have been brainwashed by ESPN and other shows to think that the head to head of QB vs QB is the be all end all of the game.

there are 21 other players on the field(more including special teams) and everyone one of them have a job to do if you want to have a winning team.
when some of those other pieces fail the QB is still the one getting the blame.

the point is, that if you watch Tannehill, AND you watch every other QB in the league you will see that Tannehill does alot of things better than alot of other QB's and he also makes the SAME mistakes that other QB"s do including the best ones.

Too many fin fans ONLY focus on the bad plays. they over analyze the bad plays and gloss over the good ones. but if they look at everything objectively they will see that even the best(veteran) QB's make some boneheaded plays during games.
Guys on here don't know how to keep things in perspective and go off saying ignorant stuff and it really takes away from the reason I actually come here.
of course its easier to just NOT come here, but there are some very knowledgable ppl here that I enjoy reading, I just wish I didn't have to sift through the more than typical overreactionary idiotic "fans"

"Conuficus wrote:

As opposed to that non-body muscle? :lol:

Naw.. Boldin has muscles in places Wallace doesn't have places!

I know what your saying but you can't argue he is playing poorly in the 4th quarter.Nobody knows for sure if he will be a franchise qb or not but the bottom line right now he is not.These areas I have already covered need to be improved upon or he will be just another QB instead of the guy!!

"cdnfinfan wrote:

the problem is ppl that think winning games relies solely on the QB.

ppl have been brainwashed by ESPN and other shows to think that the head to head of QB vs QB is the be all end all of the game.

there are 21 other players on the field(more including special teams) and everyone one of them have a job to do if you want to have a winning team.
when some of those other pieces fail the QB is still the one getting the blame.

the point is, that if you watch Tannehill, AND you watch every other QB in the league you will see that Tannehill does alot of things better than alot of other QB's and he also makes the SAME mistakes that other QB"s do including the best ones.

Too many fin fans ONLY focus on the bad plays. they over analyze the bad plays and gloss over the good ones. but if they look at everything objectively they will see that even the best(veteran) QB's make some boneheaded plays during games.
Guys on here don't know how to keep things in perspective and go off saying ignorant stuff and it really takes away from the reason I actually come here.
of course its easier to just NOT come here, but there are some very knowledgable ppl here that I enjoy reading, I just wish I didn't have to sift through the more than typical overreactionary idiotic "fans"

Well ESPN has recognized that their base audience likes things explained in the most simplistic way possible hence the QB vs QB and nothing else comparison. Not sure if you watched the Colts game but the way the commentators were fawning over Luck you would think they were blowing out the Cards. It was actually quite an assault on our intelligence.

I think what you are seeing on this board is the overwhelming frustration with the season but I think some of us struggle to see the forest from the trees. Yes we spent a lot of money but the fruits of this investment wasn't likely to come till the second season. Often times it takes free agents a season to acclimatize to their new environment. I think the criticism of our QB is non-sensical because he's the best player we have on offense and is ultimately developing quite nicely. We must remember that this season is about his continued development because as long as Brady is in our division and Manning is in our conference, we're going to struggle to win anything big. The key is to find out if Tannehill is one of the "next" QBs to dominate the conference. I think the early signs are encouraging.

Having said this, I am advocating moving on from Ireland but not for the conventional reasons. I think he has a disjointed relationship with the coaching staff that is not conducive to winning longterm. As well, he has an alarming habit of springing one major leak per season in terms of personnel. Last year, pass catchers. This year, offensive line. With this in mind, I would not allow the next personnel head to simply gut the roster and coaching staff. He would have to work with and augment both.

It's because the majority of the criticism that Ryan gets is baseless criticism.

"pumpdogs wrote:

I have my doubts but I truly hope he becomes the guy because I want to win and thats the most important thing to me.The problem with this site is people will not take the homer glasses off and see it for whats it is.I am done will all the fighting on this subject because I already went through it with chad henne.Some of these people on this site now that bash chad henne because he is no longer on the team were his biggest supporters when he was here.
These are facts as of right now.He is now ranked 33rd in the league with qb rating 61.7 in the 4th quarter.His completion is 48% in the fourth quarter.Winners play thier best in crunch time thats what seperates the great ones from the average ones.I wont get into the long ball but these were his issues coming out of college.I know he needs a better line and proballly a better OC but I can't tell you he is our QB of the future based on these facts.Maybe he will turn it around the rest of the way and get us into the playoffs so I guess we should let it play out and see what happens.

Don't know where you got your stats info pd, but ESPN has RT in the 4th Q as 64 comp, 113 att (56.6% comp), 5.98 YPA, 2 TDs, 5 INTs, 19 sacks (43% of total sacks), and a QBR of 61.7... 13 out of the 19 4th Q sacks have been on their 6 losses. That is twice as many sacks in losses than in wins... in the 4th Q... Not to mention many those sacks in the 4th have attributed to turn overs (fumbles) which has of course attributed to having RT not come through in the clutch, as we say...

You know he has been sacked mostly in the 2nd half of games... How much??? a whopping 73% of total sacks allowed (32 out of 44)... That looks more like 30% of total sacks in the 3rd Q, and 43% in the 4th Q...

Maybe the play of the OL in the 3rd Q and specially in the 4th Q has more to do with the losses than his ability to play in crunch time... wonder if he had the same problem with the OL in college, since I really never watched...

but what do I know... I just pick out stats and present them...

Tann has been great, tann has been bad... The o line has played well, the o line has played bad, the wr's have made some great plays, the wr's have dropped some passes.. A great 60 mil dollar wr makes that heave against the panthers for an unbelievable finish.. Defense has shut teams down, defense has gave up some big plays... Joe has put together some great game plans, joe has failed to get this team ready.. We are 5-6, once the breaks start falling our way and we can get some momentum the wins will come.. Finishing games isn't something that comes naturally it has to be learned.. I'm not super critical of this team right now, I cry a lot but I'm actually looking forward to watching them play Sunday, as opposed to saying damn the jets game is Sunday, "dear lord please let us win jes this one game I'd be happy"... Now I'm like " dear lord, stay outa our way"...

"keith075 wrote:

How would this board feel if we're 7-4 like Luck or Kaepernick? Pretty darn good. The only difference between the 4 teams is that in Miami, scoring 27 points makes us 10-1 right now. The other QB's don't have a defense like ours that shows up every week against anyone.

How would we feel with RG3? Better, since his offense is scoring an average of 26 points per game. With him at the helm, we're 9-2.

This is ridiculous and I don't think you know what you are saying
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