How Many Of You Will Be Disappointed?

Won’t be mad as it’s expected. Only way I’ll be mad is if we don’t see progress. Heck a lot of people here think we’re going to tank for Tua or others.

I believe we will win at least 4 games maybe even 6 and be out of the race for the top 2 QB’s.

I will also be upset if Rosen isn’t our starter. We all known Fitz is talented but flawed and not the long term answer. We need to kick the tires on Rosen and what we got.

Seriously.. sometimes losing now is better for the long term health of the franchise, and what will really disappoint me is if we find out Rosen isn't the answer (he most likely isn't) AND we win too many games, missing out yet again on a franchise QB while other teams keep finding their solution at QB. At some point you have to fix the QB position and you can't be blinded by short term goals trying to do so.

So 5-8 wins is the worst IMO. If Rosen is the real deal we're easily winning 9+, and if he isn't we better be picking top 3 or 4 at worst because you're going to have a hard time finding trading partners if there's real competition for a hot QB prospect.

Will be interesting to see how the QB situation plays out. If Rosen isn't up to it or is struggling to learn they might have Fitz in there in order to help the WR's, o-line etc. get a fair chance of performing and learning. Flores might want to use a known like Fitz as a measuring stick for the rest of the offense...?

"Galant wrote:

Will be interesting to see how the QB situation plays out. If Rosen isn't up to it or is struggling to learn they might have Fitz in there in order to help the WR's, o-line etc. get a fair chance of performing and learning. Flores might want to use a known like Fitz as a measuring stick for the rest of the offense...?

If Rosen is NOT up to it, then I definitely start him the whole season. It's only if you think he's the real deal but also think he needs some time to develop that I'd start him later in the season (or if it's obvious he's the real deal then sure.. start him the whole way).

I think you always play to win given the players on the field, but you don't have to put the best players on the field to maximize your chances of winning if you think it's in your best long term interest to do otherwise, either by giving younger players more experience or in our case to potentially solve the QB situation for the next decade and a half.

Either way, I want to see good game plans and in game adjustments by Flores.

I'm hoping for a winning season but not expecting it but there is always disappointment in losing.As long as they play hard and not rollover and quit I can hope for the future.

Well, I have zero expectations of a winning record. That's not even on the table. My feelings are somewhere around six wins on the season, most if not all at home.

However, more importantly than that, my expectations are about the details. Are the coaches going to do their best to establish an offensive system that's reliable and repeatable? Will the team make an effort to run more plays and gain more first downs and Red Zone visits? Will the defense be able to scheme to stop the run and force incompletions, rather than relying on big turnovers?

If the team looks to be setting the groundwork on both sides of the ball for the future, and making the most of what they have now, then I'll be satisfied, almost regardless of record. If its somehow more of the same as under Gase, with any and all success coming off of big plays, tricks and gimicks, then I'll be really down on them.

Hell no... dream season would be competitive high scoring games that we lose in the last 2 minutes of the 4th Quarter.

I want 0 - 16

Seeing how none of us really knows what we will be?
I am rooting for ten wins and a playoff victory.
Why predict a losing season when you really don’t know? Just to be negative?
We have new blood and new life. Why not give them the benefit of doubt? At least until we start 0-4. Then we can all start the negativity?
If coaching was really our main problem?
It appears we have taken care of that?
It really feels like we have real coaches now?
We shall see. Let’s go fins.
And the qb. Situation seems better so far.

I dont care about the record just wanna see a team that plays like the head coaches personality..

Hopefully if Grier is the right guy We’ll add talent over the next three years to compete for championships.

Not long ago we went from a one win season to division champs in one year just by changing coaches but mainly, changing philosophy and attitude with a sprinkling of the Wildcat. It didn't hurt having Ricky and Ronnie Brown in the same backfield. I for one would be disappointed if we weren't an improved team.

I expect it and think it’s long overdue. Tear it down and rebuild it the right way.

I’m more interested to see how our younger players develop and hopefully see Rosen earn a starting spot.

"mlb1399 wrote:

I expect it and think it’s long overdue. Year it down and rebuild it the right way.

I’m more interested to see how our younger players develop and hopefully see Rosen earn a starting spot.

Yeah, Fitzpatrick starting more than a handful of games at QB would be one of the biggest disappointments.

I don't care what their record is this season as long as Rosen wins the starting job and plays all 16 games.

I will be disappointed if they don't lose enough games.

I’ve been through 1-15. Please never again. How can some of you root for a losing season for picks that might not pan out? Never root for my team to lose.

I'll be disappointed if we lose due to scheme. If guys are running wide open, we are missing blocks, so forth I will be disappointed.

If we lose because guys just can't handle their assignment talemt wise I dont care if we lose every game.

"Miamiforlife wrote:

I’ve been through 1-15. Please never again. How can some of you root for a losing season for picks that might not pan out? Never root for my team to lose.

They're not a good team right now. They have no identity and plenty of question marks. Vegas already has them at the lowest odds to make the playoffs this season. They will open every experts power ranking this season at #32.

Don't get your hopes up. Hopefully they find their quarterback and develop some kind of identity this season. But, they aren't winning 8-10 games I'm sorry.

"Miamiforlife wrote:

I’ve been through 1-15. Please never again. How can some of you root for a losing season for picks that might not pan out? Never root for my team to lose.

I fully understand that point of view, but everything depends on expectations. No one expected 1-15 in 2007. Vegas had us at 7 wins that year before the season started. If however you expect to lose a lot.. it doesn't hurt that much. I know because I follow the Astros to some extent (not as much as the Dolphins though) and I remember their deliberate tanking from 2011-2013. Totally drove fans away from the team, but it didn't really hurt that much because I knew what they were trying to do.

And they did it.. several years later they won the WS with guys they picked up high in the draft during those years.

Look.. this franchise hasn't won a SB since the 1973 season. I think it's FAR worse to keep up this mediocrity than to do what's necessary (tanking included) to finally win the championship. And for that you'll very likely need a very good QB. If Rosen isn't it, then how are you going to get that guy in the draft when so many other teams want him??

Anyway, I won't criticize anyone for thinking the way you do, but from my point of view prioritizing short term gain over long term gain isn't worth it unless you're trying to win the SB right now, and that's clearly NOT what we're doing. So I'm happy with losing a ton to get a very high draft pick. I however would prefer not to see a 0-16 season because that does stand out in history. At worst 1-15 lol.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

They're not a good team right now. They have no identity and plenty of question marks. Vegas already has them at the lowest odds to make the playoffs this season. They will open every experts power ranking this season at #32.

Don't get your hopes up. Hopefully they find their quarterback and develop some kind of identity this season. But, they aren't winning 8-10 games I'm sorry.

I Appreciate your realism.
But I sure hope your wrong?
I don’t have exact references.
But I swear teams get new coaching, have basically the same players and do way better quite often?
What keeps me from being cocky. (As I really feel we will be a better team) is the schedule. It appears to be a really difficult schedule.
Oh ya I would bet on 8 wins if we had a seemingly easier schedule. But 0-4 to start might happen.

I need to see some direction to be happy. If we only win 2 or 3 games, but I can see our defensive (for example) starting to take form then I'll be ok with it.

If we win 2 or 3 games, and the defense and Offense look exactly the same as they did under Gase/Philbin then I'm going to hate this entire season. To be clear I'm not looking for that 1 or 2 pieces that we seem to keep getting excited about year after year. I want to see the product on the field looking good like a strong unit.

In regards to 2007, that team simply wasn't that bad on paper going into the season. They were certainly better than the 2004 club who came close to going 2-14. But they lost starting QB Trent Green in the 5th game, RB Ronnie Brown in the 7th game (in the middle of an All Pro type season), traded WR Chris Chambers after six games, lost HOFer Zach Thomas in the 5th game, lost LB Channing Crowder in the 11th game, and had numerous other players miss time as well.

If something like that happens to any team, their record is going to massively suffer. It turned that team from a 6 to 8 win quality club into a disaster. But there's now this notion going around that they were just this historically bad group from the get go, and that's just very wrong. They were very close to being 3-2 after five games before all the wheels fell off, as well.

Some of the comments I have seen about Rosen and "He'd Better Win!" lead me to wonder who has smuggled in about three capable offensive lineman and a possibly even adequate defensive line, let alon a couple of linebackers who can imitate a starter in the NFL with more success than our costumed masked men in those position the last three years.

I have very mixed emotions here. As a Gase supporter who believes that we could have had a heck of a run last season without losing so many starters to injury, we were told the team just wasn't good enough to become a sustainable contender. Okay, fine...I'll buy that. But what if we do go 3-13 this season? How can you spin it that we're now one step closer than we were before?

Some of you will say, "Well, 3-13 means we're in a prime position for the Tank for Tua sweepstakes." And sure, that's one way to build a contender....we just watched Cleveland go from being a joke to a possible SB team in a three year span. Great defense. Awesome QB prospect. That's definitely a blueprint.....but Cleveland didn't "tank" on purpose. They were just managed that poorly. So if that's really our plan, it sort of pisses me off- you don't tank a few seasons in the NFL and expect fans to remain loyal. I'd like to think we're better than that as a team and I definitely want to think all of you as fans deserve better.

As I've said before though, Gase went to a division rival, plus Flores has a division rival of his own in Belicheck. So we're going to have an apples to apples to apples comparison in order to gauge where each team is at. If we're 0-6 or 1-5 in the division, then I'm looking at that as a failure no matter what....that's Miami pride and it means something. We'd better get two wins against the Jets though and at least one vs NE- those four games are almost more important to me than overall record since our head coach is moving within the division and facing the exact same coaches.

So for me, a step FORWARD would be to come close to last year's record while scratching all the big contracts...which means I'm content with a 6-10 season and at least 3-3 in our division. Anything less is a failure in my book....anything more and I'll be ecstatic.

But let's say we do go 4-12. What does that mean? Do we say, "Well, we cut all the expensive folks, ditched a QB so it's a necessary growing pain?" I personally can't say that- as a competitor, I can't pretend to be happy about "phoning it in" and taking a few seasons off. How does that affect our young players who are being asked to buy into this system? If I was a player, I'd want out....I can't think of 3 years from now since that's the average length of a career in the league. It may be an advantage to a few players that are Landry-like and carry the team on their shoulders, but the vast majority are going to be pissed off. And then all that culture people want to preach about is going to collapse.

I'll say one last thing- winning cures all. The opposite is also true though- losing creates a losing culture where players just don't give a darn. I do not want that in Miami....for one week or one season. So I'm definitely not giving Flores, Grier or anyone a pass on 2019- they'd better give us at least 6 or 7 wins.

Winning Good. Losing Bad.

That said I don't expect much of the good this year but if it gets us off this mediocrity treadmill going forward I'll survive.

Whaddya mean we aren't going to the playoffs? LOL