Not that big a deal without seeing a better breakdown of the numbers. For example, how does the past 8 or 16 games compare to the previous 2 years? Has there been improvement as Tannehill has matured and more recently since he's adapted to Lazor's system? If there's no difference, then I will be concerned

 

The info about the 1st quarter fits with what many of us see about their games. And it's a snapshot with little context. Miami has a better record over that time than all those teams they compared their 1st quarter stuff too as well, but evidently those other teams are better at starting off well and getting worse as the game goes on. I agree they could certainly use some improvement in getting going and taking a lead early, but I wouldn't call it scary...regardless of their 1st quarter lead ratio, if they miss the playoffs (also a trend)...changes are'a'comin' where I believe the source of the main problems rests.

 

I think it's time to finally cut Tannehill.

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If you see a team that consistently ahead early in games, you probably have a very well coached team. Vice versa with teams that consistently are behind early.

 

when he shows that he's willing to do whatever it takes to get the first down and shows a sense of urgency in the early parts of the game, problem solved..Right now he's content with the play call and lacks improvisational skills...He's a tough sob but he's got to combine the thought process of dropping, surveying, and recognition of when to bail..He's not being aggressive when finding different platforms with his feet, he's not moving to different spots in the pocket with authority, and he's completely unaware of what it could mean to his team to take off and convert a first down early in the game with his legs..

Steve young use to say that he would ignore a play call by bill walsh and run it up against the defense EARLY in the game because he knew what that did to a defense for the rest of the game, steve young is probably the most dangerous and cerebral qb to ever play.

When ryan learns this nuance you will see a difference..Right now he and his coordinator are pidgeon holing him to a static pocket and that sucks ***.

 

I would like to see him get some first downs with his legs as well...like he did in the Atlanta PS game...but I don't want him running all over the place either.

Steve Young also "officially" got diagnosed with 7 concussions, and reports from teammates and others say the "real" number is probably much higher. No thanks. But he knew better than Bill Walsh so...

And did you see the recent report that Lazor got in Tannehill's *** about taking hits? I guess ignoring Philbin wouldn't be near the same as ignoring one of the most genius offensive coaches of all time...but the first time he gets a concussion...........

 

I was taught as a young Lad that leading after the 4th quarter wins 100% of the time.
When we get to that point, we will be considered Superbowl Champs which is the goal for every team, every season.

 

nonsense 68, bill walsh had no problem with steve young doing what he did, cause he's smart, he knew and trusted his qb to do it early cause he knew what that does to defenses, offense is about threats to the field, multiple, establish them any way you can, then scheme accordingly.

so were at the point where if a player gets concussed its all over huh...jeez, what the game has turned into...

do whatever it takes to win..worry about consequences later, or else do something else.

 

You shouldn't try so hard to be funny. Most people with good sense of humor don't have to try to be funny. It comes naturally. It doesn't come naturally for you.

 

you a jag fan?

 

The Fins defer to the 2nd half when they win the coin toss, and most teams elect to have the first possession when they win the coin toss. That's pretty much all this convoluted stat reflects. If we are down 7-3 at the end of the 1st quarter, it doesn't change our game plan.

 

Jaguars? Just another guy? I'm a Dolphins fan bud.

 

this was my initial thought ad well. The defense tends to start off slow as well.

 

Stats can be interesting and at times meaningful but it's hard to relate what that means to a team with almost completely different players and a QB who has had several years more of experience. If anything, it would show tendencies of the coach but even the coordinator has changed. I wonder what it looks like under Lazor with more recent data from RTH as he's developed.

 

And that user name right? Talk about trying to hard. Could you get more cliché than lmeister3? I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think it's finally time to cut Ryan Tannehill.

 

I think its safe to say most around here are just fine with lmeister's quips and sarcasm...he's often pretty damn funny. But thanks for that valuable insight.

 

i thought you might be a jag fan, no disrespect I just cant believe you dont find meister funny, not sure where that comes from, do you spend a lot of time here?, cause that dude is smart and funny as hell..and I think your waaaay outnumbered in your thinking, and why you gotta be throwin out insults like that?

unless you were just kidding the whole time and im the *** for falling for it..lol

 

No surprise, what would be more interesting is the number of possessions in the first qtr.

Seems we are the kings of the "3 and out" in the first qtr

 

It certainly isn't a surprising stat. As others said, it absolutely meshes with what we see with our eyes on Sundays. Heck, even when we crushed the Raiders last season, they were winning 7-0 early. Philbin teams, to this point, DO NOT start fast. And the defense seems to take some time figuring things out to boot. Thankfully, we seem to make good halftime adjustments and perform well in that quarter, but I would sure feel better if we had more games where we were up early on.

 

To be fair, the biggest complaint under Sparano was that our offense always started slow with Henne up until his last few games as head coach. So this is an issue that's going back almost a decade and the only true fix is smarter play or smarter play calling. Like others have said, the final score is what really matters, but it is tough when you start in a hole every game.

Then again, it also says a lot about our defense. We always seem to start loose and tighten up in the second half, but I think all teams do that with in-game adjustments.

 

Not just Tony. This nonsense has been going on since Wanny was hired! Would you call ANY offense that we had in ANY year after Marino retired explosive? Last year was better in many ways. Hoping that this year's continues that direction.

 

There's nothing scary about that stat...nor about the whole chart (which I saw in club chat). Most all teams on that chart, including the bottom AND the top, have roughly the same winning percentage whether trailing or leading after the first quarter. There are some teams that are close to the top 10 in % of games with a lead after the first quarter, that are routinely in the bottom of the league over the season (Tampa Bay for one). Some teams have a high % of 1st quarter leads, but have a losing record in those games.

What's that saying? "It's how you finish?"

 

I wouldn't put it that way. I'd agree a team that tends to lead early in the game is a well prepared team. But the coach still has to make in-game adjustments, and how good the coach is at in-game adjustments is separate (Philbin btw does make good halftime adjustments..).

 

Can you let him see the memo that says it's OK to do it earlier?

 

Actually that works at to just under .500, which more or less reflects Philbin's record for entire seasons.

 

Anyone watch the Denver game last night? Peyton didn't have much time in the pocket yet he continually, time and time again threw deep. It's a myth that you have to have a dominant O-line to push the ball downfield. What a dominant O-line will give you is the ability to run the ball without the opponent being tired.

This stat is a reflection of the fact that Miami doesn't run the ball early and that's because...well...did you watch the Washington game? They couldn't unless the defensive line was gassed and on their heals.

The lack of ability amongst Dolphins O-linemen really shows up in situational running. I really wish the Dolphins would commit to something like the Giants did in 2007, but to date they haven't. That year, the Giants had a good defense that could bail the team out when the QB wasn't playing great, but also had the running game figured out. With 3 great RBs, they let Brandon Jacobs run over people early, they let the speedier players (guys like Lamar Miller) play mop-up duty in the 2nd half and out-run people.

The problem is, the Dolphins haven't been stout against the run so they're defense is often questionable, they don't have a capable O-line to block early in games and to date they haven't acquired the big guy to compliment Miller.


Coaching doesn't factor into the first quarter any more than it does the 4th quarter. There's nothing to prove that. I don't even know how you'd begin to show that hypothesis is true.

What wins at any point is having your guys execute better than the other guys. Early in games that involves strength, technique and avoiding mistakes. Late even more comes into play like conditioning. I think that's common sense. I don't see how this is a reflection of coaching.

 

The snarky and rude responses in this thread need to stop. If you have nothing nice or that actually contributes to the discussion leave it elsewhere

 

We did not have the lead in the first quarter of the first four games of last year. We deferred on three of those games. We went 2-2 during the first four games.

 

I think the Fins are trailing because of the make up of the offense, the Fins don't have the type of offense to score when they want, most scoring drives a player makes a play, someone takes one of Tanne's short passes and makes a play, eating up 30 yards or so, shortening the field, so scoring drives come when they do, when it happens right.

 

I don't think that's accurate, Finster. You act like Tannehill throws short because that's all he can do. I think it has more to do with how defenses are playing us, rushing 4, and dropping 7 into coverage, with regularity. Also, we were great last season at moving the ball all the way to the 20, and then had trouble converting. Again, though, inside the 20, with defenses able to rush 4, and get good, quick pressure, and have 7 guys in coverage, what do you expect to be open?? There are a multitude of reasons, other than QB, why short passes are happening so frequently. If suddenly Tannehill starts trying to force balls, and they get picked, he'll be criticized for forcing passes into coverage when he has options open short. LOL. It's lose/lose for him on this board for some people.

 

What is "not much time" and what is thowing it "deep"? I watched the beginning of that game, and I didn't see Peyton throwing it 40 yards downfield a bunch.

 

I was just giving him a hard time. His attempts at humor aren't bothering me any. And yes, he's said plenty of funny things before as have a lot of people who post frequently on these boards. It just comes off as desperate for attention when you try to be funny in a situation that doesn't call for it. For example, it's time to cut tannehill. Nobody has said that, to my knowledge and it's not funny. Sorry if I don't share everyone else's 5th grade humor in regards to lmeister. Moving on...

 

All I can say is, God has to be a Broncos fan. Manning couldn't even believe it...that kind of gift just doesn't happen in the NFL these days.

 

The problem with your comparison to the 2007 Giants is that the Dolphins only have one solid RB at this time and that is Miller.
They don't have three reliable RB's as the Giants did. As far as comparing the Dolphins defense to the 2007 Giants defense.

Right now we have no idea if the defense is going to be good or not. They gave up the third highest rushing yards last weekend against a putrid Redskin offense which really had no passing attack to worry about.
While Suh will hopefully play better. Wake is getting older and he seems to be dealing with injuries more and more as he ages.
Vernon is dealing with an ankle injury and he wasn't playing particularly well against the run prior to being injured last week.
The LB corp is a HUGE question mark. It doesn't say much positive about the LB's when the leading tackler for the Dolphins last week was a safety.
Other than Jones, who is dealing with a hamstring injury and Grimes, the remaining players in the secondary also remain a concern at this time.

Hopefully the defense will improve as the season progresses. I just think it is more a middle of the pack defense than one of the best defenses in the NFL. This year is going to be all about how far Tannehill and the passing game can take this team. I think realistically 9-7 is about the best this team will finish the season and another 8-8 season certainly wouldn't surprise me.

I don't see this being a playoff team because I think the Patriots and Bills are better teams and I don't think a third place finisher in the AFC East will qualify for the playoffs.

 

This scary stat is a result not a cause.

 

Do you have any source articles or data to backup your conclusion? I do not dispute your statement, but I cannot agree without some supporting information.

 

For the last game, the start was definitely slow for the defense and the offense.