Genesis for this :So I went back and looked at his 2012 season:
484 att 58% completions 205 ypg 1 300 yd game 12 Td's 13 int's 3,115 yds
2013:
451 att 62% completions 258 ypg 4 300 yd games 17 Td's 13 int's 3,294 yds
More ypg, more Td's higher completion percentage, and more 300 yd games
This through 12 games, at his current rate of 258 ypg, he will break the 4k barrier barring something bizarre, this behind an offensive line that has to take out restraining orders against defenders to keep him from being killed
And -0- running game consistency
That fellas, is what an ascending player looks like, the improvement is undeniable
As for his running out of the pocket:
2012 48 rushes, 214 yds
2013 34 rushes 164 yds
When he runs, he avg's 4.8 ypa, which also makes him our best runner.
Safe to say, the hated "Fiedler Field" of 20 Td's being our Qb's ceiling is going to be broken this yr.
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Grabs popcorn and soda and waits for those that disagree to somehow argue those stats mean nothing..
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That is a proper use of stats (imo) his trend line is mostly vertical
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The key there is "with zero run game. "
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I got really down on him at points of this season but I stand by my preseason assertion that mid third year is when we'll know about him definitively. This year is better with a couple new pieces to get used to.
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Tannehill already looks like one of the better WC QBs in the league 15 yards and in. Once he starts exploiting defenses deep?? It's bad news for the opposition.
I hope nobody still would take RG3 over Tannehill... I remember that argument. I would take Ryan over that guy anyday of the week.Mile High Fin, LandShark13, Boik14 and 3 others like this. -
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Again, in the back of his mind I'm sure he is wondering if he is about to have his head taken off. -
And for a WCO style Qb, we do not use the Rb's in the passing game nearly as muchFin-Omenal likes this. -
His last pure, bad read int, was against TB when a defender left his man and picked him off.Unlucky 13 likes this. -
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I envision Pads smoking a Nicaraguan cigar watching old A-Team episodes on Netflix...With guest star Rodney Dangerfield, eh
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Let me preface my post by saying, it is clear as day that Ryan has improved. It is also clear he can improve and needs to improve in certain areas. I am just waiting until year 3 before I decide what type of NFL QB Tannehill will be.
Now on to these stats....
Exhibit A
Year 1: 2444 yards 12 TDs 20 INTs 10 Fumbles 6.7 YPA 1 Game winning drive
Year 2: 3291 yards 17 TDs 13 INTs 9 Fmb 6.5 YPA 6 GWD
Exhibit B
Year 1: 3398 yards 20 TDs 13 INTs 5 Fmb 6.6 YPA 4 GWD
Year 2: 3669 yards 27 TDs 16 INTs 4 Fmb 6.9 YPA 3 GWD
Exhibit C
Year 1: 1855 yards 10 TDs 18 INTs 10 Fmb 6.4 YPA 2 GWD
Year 2: 3451 yards 25 TDs 6 INTs 7 Fmb 7.3 YPA 5 GWD
Exhibit D
Year 1: 3294 yards 12 TDs 13 INTs 9 Fmb 6.8 YPA 1 GWD
Year 2: 3115 yards 17 TDs 13 INTs 8 Fmb 6.9 YPA 1 GWD
Exhibit E
Year 1: 793 yards 5 TDs and 8 INTs 2 Fmb 6.8 YPA 1 GWD
Year 2: 3787 yards 29 TDs and 19 INTs 2 Fmb 7.2 YPA 2 GWD
Exhibit F
Year 1: 373 yards 2 TDs and 4 INTs 4 Fmb 5.7 YPA 0 GWD
Year 2: 2426 yards 13 TDs and 8 INTs 12 Fmb 6.6 YPA 2 GWD
Needless to say. There are QUITE a few QBs that improved from year 1 to 2 that didnt become great QBs. Ryan's current numbers mean nothing in regards to his long term success. He needs to continue to improve and improve in other areas. -
This is just false. Those tipped balls were bad throws or reads. In the Panthers game he had an awful throw that was an easy INT dropped. Lets not make excuses for "tipped" balls. These things tend to even out. -
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Lack of names tend to not let people make up their mind from anything other then stats. Ray Finkle plays this game in the MLB thread all the time. You would be surprised what players you would take based on their name more then what they actually produce. Stats tend to show more "truths" in baseball, but same type of thinking. -
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Nice post. Not only are the stats better, but we can just see him playing better. I think as his pocket presence continues to improve, big strides will be made. We are seeing that now really. Watching Russell Wilson right now, he's the only QB of the last 2 drafts i would take over RT right now for certain. He is playing lights out. Plus I like his attitude as much as Tanny.
Phins up!!! (that's right I said it)
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The last few games he has escaped the pocket for positive yards , wondering if he was "encouraged" to not take off earlier this year?
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Everyone knows I'm not sold on him. For me, he has better talent, and has more opportunities/attempts. Naturally numbers will increase.
This is purely a gut feeling, biased and infused with previous letdowns of past QBs. When I see Tannehill, I see Jay Cutler as a ceiling. To me Tannehill is too inconsistent. He isn't reliable.
I'm ok with being the detractor on this. There are other guys I'm really excited about. I just see Tannehill's inconsistency as a problem, not a chance to improve.
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One of the reasons why I'm not a fan of bulk stats is there is no addition or subtraction for variables such as the quality of the offensive line play, are the Wr's established and talented, does the D tilt the field with turnovers leading to easier scores etc?
Objectively, Tannehill IS playing much better then he did in 2012, I thought it maybe a function of more passing attempts, that is not so at all, he has less attempts so far to surpass his 2012 performance
From a stats pov, this last 4 games are "bonus" time
Should be fun to watch
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Also - knock on wood - Last week the commentators said Ryan was only one of three QBs to have played every snap so far this season - that's extraordinary taking into account he is also the most sacked QB in the league - knock on wood - I know toughness and durability isn't a stat, but it's an invaluable quality - knock on wood - and he's still probably one of the most inexperienced QBs with the fewest college/pro starts.
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Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει
http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...yards-passing-for-the-remainder-of-the-season
Anyone else hear an echo?
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