Bill Lazor's job first and foremost was to install a system to fit the players on the field. A large portion of his hiring was centered around his coaching of a related offensive tree, and his work with quarterbacks, and he's failed in both regards.
Even if Ryan Tannehill is a failed prospect that will have to be replaced, Lazor's job is to get the most out of him. He's totally failed in that regard, and instead we've got a player who is regressing at a critical part of his career. We're watching Ryan Tannehill handle multiple aspects of his job markedly worse than he did with the Dolphins in the past, and that's on Lazor.
For some reason, we've tossed wholesale a wide variety of passing concepts, route combinations, and plays that worked well in the past. If they were things that violated the orthodoxy of the offensive system we chose to install, that'd be one thing, but they're not. The out-breaking routes that Tannehill excelled at are de-emphasized. Bread and butter WCO concepts that shouldn't really be off the table for schematic reasons are missing. Charles Clay and Brian Hartline are missing in action.
Ryan Tannehill is struggling with his new footwork. The receivers are struggling to properly run there routes. The quarterback and receivers are quite frequently having issues where they're both not making the right reads. Those are teaching issues, and that buck ultimately stops with Lazor on that. He's essentially the quarterbacks coach, with the Dolphins choosing to retain Zac Taylor, whose qualifications are based more on marriage than skill.
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How do we know the issue isn't that Ryan Tannehill has been stretched too far beyond his Texas A&M/Mike Sherman comfort zone?
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Still trying to wrap my head around why Lamar Miller only rushed 15 times when he was ripping off 7 yards a clip. Lazor's inexperience is showing, and he needs to pull his head out of his rear ASAP.
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Sooo we shouldn't change his poor footwork because he may struggle at first and regress? I don't get it. I don't get any of this blame on Lazor when receivers are dropping passes, Tannehill is missing open guys, and not to mention when Tannehill has a run/pass option on every play and only gives his back who is gashing the defense 15 carries.
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All I know is this might be the worst offense I have ever seen in Miami, it truly is sickening to watch this team try to pass the football.
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We had that with Tannehill previously, we don't seem to now. -
Exactly what I've been saying in alot of places today. Lazor is this place's new golden boy for now, but this post sums up exactly what I've been left wondering through 3 games. Where's the offense tailored to our QB? Where's the involvement of the players he's comfortable with. Where's the routes he's comfortable throwing. Why are we yet again, under Joe Philbin trying to fit square pegs, into round holes. Is this staff (referring to co-ordinators and the head coach) ever going to get outside their own comfort zones, and come up with a system that fits the players strengths and weaknesses.
Either be completely able to change the player to work in your system, or take the concepts of your system, and apply them to said player's strengths and weaknesses. To me, that's what coaching is all about. Take your idea's and concepts as the coach, and mesh them with the strengths and weaknesses of the players you have to work with. If you can't do that, then you don't deserve the position. There's times where certain players just wont work, we all get that, but most guys are coachable, and have the skills to adapt, but you have to help them.
As disappointing as Tannehill has been, I'm willing to bet without Lazor's new scheme, that clearly isn't working for anyone (not just the QB based on other players comments) had consistency remained for Ryan, we wouldn't be complaining about his so called "regression".
Almost feels like this change from sherman to Lazor at this point is a great case of the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Where's Gibson? Where's Clay? Where's Matthews? Where's Hartline? These are the guys that Ryan is comfortable with, these are the guys the run the routes he excels at throwing. Why aren't we doing that? Why are we trying to run the passing game through Wallace? The guy he's obviously least comfortable with. I get that Sherman's idea's were antiquated, and it was time for him to go, but damn... why can we not build this offense, with these new idea's and concepts Lazor has around the strengths of the QB, rather than trying to fit the QB who may or may not be a good fit into the system? Simply because he came from Chip Kelly's offense... as a QB coach??? Similar to how Philbin came from Green Bay as the OC... who really had no control or play calling abilities??
Lazor may be the golden boy around here for most right now, but I'm with you. These problems we have right now are on him. We haven't seen a version of Ryan Tannehill this... uncomfortable before. He looks more uncomfortable this year, than he did behind that pathetic OL from last year. Thats not on him, that's on our OC failing to put in a system that evolves around what he has to work with.fin13, RevRick and A13OVEAVERAGE like this. -
In other words, tailoring your schemes to your players' strengths is a concept that can go only so far. You can't tailor your schemes to your players if the result is a scheme that isn't viable, for a player who also may not be viable. -
Tannehills horrible accuracy and weak arm isn't at the fault of Lazor, if anything I feel Lazor offensive calling is very limited because of Tannehill. Today would have been a great day to throw some long balls, but Tannehill seems to underthrow every single time.
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Ehh in all fairness most of the time they either seem to be covered fairly well, or Tanny stares his laser lockdown first read and doesn't even look their way. Happens more often than we want to admit. -
Tannehill missing open receivers and a sudden huge drop in accuracy is a pretty clear symptom of what I'm talking about. -
You aren't supposed to 'go through your progressions' on a 3 step drop, are you? You take your drop and release the football. Timing offense. No?
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They both suck. And this year, you can't blame the O-line or the running game.
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It also seems like Philbin is lost without Mike Sherman at his side essentially doing the coaching for him.
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If the "academic" learning of an offense was all it took, then every successful offensive coordinator could also be a successful NFL QB. One has to learn the offense on an intellectual level AND have the mental and physical skills to play well within it on the field. -
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All systems use the same routes. We didn't take routes away from Ryan. Some may be used more or less of course, but the basic tree is always the same. The difference is in progressions, route combinations and formation. What he is looking for in the defense has changed and IMO he isn't seeing it.
If Tannehill doesn't see an open back in the flat on third and short and/or refuses to run when it's there I don't see how that can be pinned on Lazor. -
I said it last week so I'll just post the link...
http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...act-What-did-you-expect&p=2413104#post2413104
19 called run plays versus 43 pass plays.
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