Thought Id come up with a new ranking..which is the one i prefer to use, and that is, rank the qbs as to who you would want moving forward with our franchise, taking into account all variables like age, on and off the field stuff, durability, even counting the new guys, and of course who you think projects to be the best qb in our uniform..Dont think of your our team and where were at, think of it as starting a new franchise from scratch..
1} Aaron Rogers
2} Andrew Luck
3} Russell Wilson
4} Ben Rothlesberger
5} Marcus Mariota
6} Joe Flacco
7} Colin Kaepernik
8} Matt Ryan
9} Ryan Tannehill
10} Derek Carr.
11} Jameis Winston
12} Teddy bridge
13} Matt Stafford
14} Cam Newton
15} Nick Foles.
maybe some of you would take Jameis Winston depending on how much you love his game and projection..I know Mariota is the sh&& for me so Id drop my drawers for him moving forward..
I really like derek carr as well..
Obviously I left out Brady Brees and Manning because i just couldn't trade the youth and ceiling for a few more years of success with the older guys.
Ryan, if he just learns a few nuances of the game, situationally, will be young enough next year to move up that list, today I watched a game by aaron rogers against the lions and he had the shredded calf, yet still, when he saw wide open space in front of him as he stepped up into the pocket, he gave a look to the field and his progression but made that quick second decision to take off for 15 and slide for a first down, the drive resulted in a td, he did it twice, with one leg..it shows you the awareness of how important it is....If ryan incorporates this element, he goes up..If Lazor keeps and ups his level of dual threat capacity, he moves up next year.
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I wouldn't put Kaepernick above Tannehill. If you just go by passer ratings, Kap is stagnant while Tannehill is on the rise. Also, the TD/INT ratio for Kap keeps getting worse and worse each year, while the opposite is true for Tannehill.
I'd also not put any rookie QB that high on the list given how often projections turn out to be wrong.Fin4Ever, Tin Indian and RevRick like this. -
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Hope you have thick skin lol...
- Big Ben is 33 years old. Taken a ton of punishment in his career and is on the fringe of his prime. You would rather have him for 3-5 years, than a 25 year old Cam Newton? Than a 26 year old Matt Stafford? A 26 year old Ryan Tannehill? I get Aaron Rodgers at 31, because he's out of this world talented. Not Big Ben though.
- Mariota and Winston ahead of a number of established QB's is highly questionable. I don't like Mariota as an NFL QB. Going to bust hard. Winston, I kind of get. Certainly would put him ahead of any 2013 QB's. Below Cam Newton and Stafford, 100%. Newton and Stafford have established themselves, even with any perceived or actual flaws.
- No Manziel? Didn't you like him? I wouldn't want him or rank him, but I just thought you did. Might be wrong.
- Derek Carr is way too high. He took care of the ball, good TD/INT ratio but that's about all he did well. Teddy Bridgewater was superior in every other way. I think he's a little overrated.
- Kaepernick is way to high. A lack of mechanics, pocket awareness, and ability to read defenses make him ineffective IMO. Has regressed every season. Give me Tannehill, Newton, Stafford, Ryan, all day erry day > Ckaep.Phins_Fan_87, Da 'Fins, Fin4Ever and 4 others like this. -
2} Mariota...You call him a hard bust...I call him a star....were both on the record..
3} Manziel..I said if he took the game seriously and he wasn't a punk at the next level like he was in college he would be successful...could be wrong on that eval..maybe he starts to take the game seriously now that he's been humbled.
4} Derek carr or Bridge, its a good debate, I don't think you can say one way or the other, their close in potential.. -
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I would still take 3-4 years of those guys over everyone except your Top 3.P h i N s A N i T y likes this. -
1) A. Rodgers
2) A. Luck
3) R. Tannehill
4) M. Ryan
5) M. Stafford
6) B. Roethliberger
7) R. Wilson
8) D. Carr
9) J. Flacco
10) B. Bortles
11) T. Bridgewater
12) C. Newton
I wouldn't "attach my wagon" to anyone else, and would rather roll with a nobody for a year and then draft some yet unknown.Fin4Ever, resnor and PhinFan1968 like this. -
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Gimme great pocket passing and decent ability to run, over can only do sh*t with the legs but sucks in the pocket. It has to be INSANELY hard to learn to be great in the pocket when every play you're looking for a running lane. Same for pocket guys...when they're great there, they're always looking for the open guy.
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I like your 1 and 2, I'll give you that.
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Damn, you guys are ranking Cam Newton extremely low... Three straight years of progression as a passer, prior to his car accident and offensive implosion. Has duel threat ability. Carried an offense on his back since his rookie year. 26 years old. I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd love to have Cam Newton.
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1} Aaron Rogers
2} Andrew Luck
3} Russell Wilson
4} Ryan Tannehill
5} Matt Ryan
6} Cam Newton
7} Ben Rothlesberger
8} Joe Flacco
9} Blake Bortles
10} Derek Carr
11} Jameis Winston
12} Teddy bridge
13} Matt Stafford
14} Nick Foles
15} Colin Kaepernik
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If Brady had taken the beating Roethlisberger had taken (plus adding in the times he would have been sacked when Roethlisberger managed to pull away and get the ball off) he would be strongly considering retirement last year. He hasn't got the frame Roethlisberger has. Personally, I don't like a run first, or even a QB who is focused on the run except as a planned, and practiced means of extricating himself from a rampaging herd of defensive linemen. Occasionally, a run option being stuck in the routine to keep the hesitancy in the Defense's minds is good. But keep in mind that the minute the run is started, all rulebook protections for the QB are off the table, and don't you think that every DB in creation just drools for chances like that!
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You claim it is a huge factor, yet have rookies high on the list. Then your concept of proven becomes even more inconsistent, by having Luck over Wilson & Ben & Flacco.Fin4Ever and Clark Kent like this. -
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I'd hesitate to call Ben a "young 33". He's a tough guy, but taken a ton of punishment.
My list puts Mariotta near the bottom. Putting him that high when he hasn't thrown an pass in an actual NFL game is a bit crazy IMO.
1) Aaron Rogers
2) Andrew Luck
3) Russell Wilson
4) Ryan Tannehill
5) Matt Ryan
6) Cam Newton
7) Ben Rothlesberger
8) Joe Flacco
9) Jameis Winston
10) Blake Bortles
11) David Carr
12) Teddy bridgewater
13) Matt Stafford
14) Colin Kaepernik
15) M Mariotta
16) A Smith
17) A DaltonFin4Ever likes this. -
With Tannehill, you draw a trend line through his ratings and you're probably landing around 100 rating this year, going up 8 per year. With only 3 years under his belt and steady improvement (both stat-wise and eyeball-wise) each year, you gotta assume Tannehill's rating will keep going up. For how long? Who knows, but like I said I'm assuming another 1-2 years improvement before plateauing. That will put Tannehill well above Kap.
And the other stat I care about is TD/INT ratio. As pointed out before, the trend for Kap is that ratio getting worse every year, while for Tannehill it keeps getting better. With Tannehill, you're projecting a 2.8:1 TD/INT ratio next year if he improves at the same rate as the past 3 years, while for Kap you're projecting 1.3:1 TD/INT ratio if he keeps regressing as in the past 3 years (first year he threw no TD or INT). He even regressed in that department in the playoffs, though there the sample size is absurdly small.
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The rest of your list is fine. It's opinion. Most of it I agree with.
Roethlisberger is crazy underrated too. He's a stud. I'm arguing the merits of your logic on why you can include him and not Brady or Brees, who look to have at least 4 years left. Personally, give me 4 years of Brady or Brees and I know I'm contending (outside of the Top 3).Aqua4Ever04 likes this. -
1} Aaron Rogers
2} Russell Wilson
3} Andrew Luck
4} Ben Rothlesberger
5} Ryan Tannehill
6} Matt Ryan
7} Matt Stafford
8} Joe Flacco
9} Cam Newton
10} Teddy bridge
11} Derek Carr
12} Colin Kaepernik
13} Nick Foles.
14} Marcus Mariota
15} Jameis Winston
Here is my list. I rearranged the QBs you listed but personally I wouldn't include rookies along with vets as the bust rate for QBs (no matter how can't-miss they are) is just too great. Of the two rookies I like MM better. He just seems like a guy who is going to give it his all to over come his limitations ala Wilson or Brees. Although his shenanigans with not signing so he can surf has me wondering. To me Winston is a good not great on field talent that has had too many off-field issues. I think he may flash but once he taste success he's bound to revert to his knucklehead ways.
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I also am in no way confidant that Mariotta is a can't miss prospect. I don't feel as good about him coming into the league as I did Carr or Bortles last year. Certainly wouldn't have taken him highly in the first round.resnor likes this. -
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