60. million. Dollars.

 

My dvr shut the game off before the end, wasn't able to slow that last play down...is there a gif out there FF, it looked as though there was a lot of traffic the ball got thru to get to that point..also do we think he lands in the end zone?

 

no traffic at all actually. single coverage and wallace beats it. whether or not he gets to the endzone is questionable. depends on the panthers db touching him.

 

you speak the truth, but tannehill being so young and this team lacking talent/good coaching makes it very irritating when everything is somehow tannehills fault. Tannehill is not holding this team back. He, IMO, is the only reason we're relevant. If he is holding us back, its no where near the level of oline, coaching, or run defense deficiencies.

Now if we were the Niners with a super bowl caliber team and our QB was Colin Kaepernick, i could see the hate. He IS holding his team back at this point and right now that division is being decided by Russel Wilson being a better QB than kaepernick. Probably really hurts seeing Alex Smith over on the chiefs...

 

The big question is whether Tannehill should have thrown the football further to the left. I think that's actually a question for the coaches because receiver routes have specific tags built into their routes. Tagging a route means what route you run when the original route is over. They become relevant when the quarterback is able to scramble and buy more time. Wallace initially ran a post route. If he's supposed to just keep running diagonally all the way to the opposite pylon then Tannehill threw a bad ball. But if Wallace's post route involved a vertical tag then Tannahill threw it exactly as he should have.

Here is an image I posted in another thread which shows where exactly Wallace was by the time he tagged his route vertically. The top two pictures are simultaneous at the point of the football coming off Tannehill's hand. As you can see, Wallace has yet to tag his route even though Tannehill has bought extra time and released the ball nearly 5 seconds after the snap. Wallace either sees the football come out and then tags his route vertically, or he doesn't see the ball and just knows he's got to tag his route vertically, because from that top frame on he turns his head away from the ball, turns vertically up the left hash, and only after he'd run another couple of yards does he look up for the ball again.

 

With pressure bearing down on you, that's an absolutely terrific throw.

 

I just thought of something that I don't think has been addressed. Tannehill accounted for nearly every yard we gained today. When you step back and think about it, that's a pretty ridiculous demand to be placed on a developing 2nd year QB.

This fanbase is absolutely amazing.

 

dear lord. He throws this, under pressure, from our 33 and gets it to the god damn 1 yard line. that's a 67 yard throw on the money! ****!

 

Damn...long throw, but from that still it looks like the corner instructs the view.

 

I didn't know it went that far. That is beyond ridiculous.

 

It was a tough play for both but the fact remains that the pass was on the money from 67 yards out.

Is there another QB in the league that can make that pass?

 

I've been saying it. The throw went about 63 or 64 yards through the air. Yes. That IS an incredible throw. And people are sitting here complaining about ball placement on a 63 or 64 yard throw. That just seems ridiculous to me.

 

I have it at about 63 yards on a straight line. Tannehill releases the ball at the 33 yard line and Wallace's hands first touch the thing at about the 4 yard line.

It's an incredible throw.

 

With the pressure bearing down on him.

My god. Had Wallace caught that we would be proclaiming him as the one. For good reason.

 

I hope this puts the "Can Ryan overthrow Mike Wallace?" to bed

The answer is yes. He could do it on every single play.

 

Also I finally got a chance to review the overthrow in the 3rd quarter. I had forgotten that Tannehill was scrambling as he threw that football.

Ball was thrown about 56 yards through the air. Another incredible throw distance considering he was scrambling as he threw it.

The coaches asked the guy to "let it rip". He did. The whole game we saw what Ryan Tannehill is capable of when he's letting it rip. This was the result. Yes you're going to expect overthrows on those deep balls if he truly is letting it rip.

What I don't like are plays like the 57-yard completion, where the PLAY DESIGN sets Wallace and Tannehill back and necessitates that both players OVERCOME the poor play design. Sure, they COULD do it. They could both step up, make incredible plays, overcoming bad play design. But that doesn't excuse the bad play design. You should be AIDING these players in making big plays, not HINDERING them.

 

And to answer ck original ? Tannehill threw that ball right where it needed to go. For some reason Wallace turns back in to the db right at the end and has to turn back around to find the ball. The one time he just had to run thrum the ball and...

 

Agree 200%. Plays getting Wallace the ball 15-18 yds downfield on time in stride will have way more success than 50 yd plays.

 

And here is what I mean by play design being a problem on that 57-yard play.

The play has Tannehill dropping back from under center. He's to execute a play-fake. If he's in the shotgun, a play-fake is only going to delay him half a second or maybe just a little bit more than that. It's not a big deal. It only becomes a big deal if your receiver is running a straight go route with no frills. But in this case Wallace is running an out-and-up so he's going to be delayed in getting down field. So a shotgun play-fake probably would not have resulted in any desynchronization.

A play-fake from under center will tend to delay a guy even more than a shotgun play, though. That's where you run into problems. Unlike a shotgun fake, a fake from under center requires a QB turn his back to the defense then pop back around. It's a more time-costing fake.

Oh, but that's not all. This wasn't even just a normal play-fake from under center. This play-fake involved an off-center mesh point between the back and the quarterback. In other words, Tannehill had to sprint backward and to his left off the snap as if he were handing the football off to his back on a zone play. There are play-fakes from under center than can take very little time off the clock. This is not one of them. As a result of the off-center mesh point, after Tannehill tucks the football back in he has to bend back to his right in a semi-circle to get back into the pocket. In other words a play-action pass in this case is a half-rollout.

So Tannehill executes the play as it is designed, and releases the football 3.86 seconds after the ball was snapped.

That's 3.86 seconds for Wallace to get up the field on his out-and-up route. Wallace is WAY too far up the field by the time the ball comes out.

There's just a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wallace's speed affects the timing of the drop and the route design. The coaches are not accounting for it and it is putting EXTRA burden on the players to make up for the mistake by making far better throws and far better catches.

 

You're right but if Wallace had seen the ball earlier and adjusted to it more smoothly then he wouldn't be losing his balance as he attempted to catch the football. He might have been able to run in for the score.

 

How is that on coaches and not on the QB? You are looking at the play from software clock standpoint.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Honestly man, you are looking at it on software managing microseconds and where he should step and where Wallace should be for the catch.

 

He also threw it that long without being able to follow thru, he got bent in half right after release..

He's a tough dude..

 

Almost ... perfect.

 

Yes I'm analyzing the details of the play in order to determine the problem and potential solutions. That's correct.

 

Just went over the game again. Two things...that false start penalty in the 4th should have been an offside by the defense and second, even with the initial turn to the right, Wallace has to come down with that pass. He readjusted in time and was slightly off balance but the DB was not much of a visual hindrance and it hit him right in the hands.

 

The details of the game are important because this is a game of inches. That's why coaches drill precise techniques honed to perfection over a number of generations into these players' heads every day. That's why play designs have as many permutations as they do. Details matter.

The hyper-accurate analyzing of the play only serves to help you come up with relatively simple rules of thumb. These are rules that many (most?) coaches seem to know without having to engage in such lengthy analysis. For example, even though I had to go to great lengths in order to explain this to the common fan-base last week, MOST coaches and even players that have played football at even just the college level know damn well that you should never install a play-fake into the backfield action if the route you're trying to hit is a simple go route without a double-move. I had someone in the comments who played college ball as a wide receiver say the exact same thing last week. It's COMMON knowledge for people that play and coach the game.

Remember there was an article quoting someone from INSIDE the Dolphins building saying that Mike Sherman is missing "101 level" stuff? THAT is a perfect example of a "101 level" thing that Mike Sherman just missed. You don't have a play-fake when you're throwing a simple go route. Period. Simple. End of story.

Well so now we fast-forward to this week. It's not a simple go route this time. But it's an out-and-up which doesn't delay Wallace all that much, and it's matched with an under center play-fake that has to result in a half-roll because of the off-center mesh point. Again, this SHOULD be "101 level" stuff. You ratcheted up the delay in the route a little bit, but you ratcheted up the delay in the backfield even more. This should be BASIC stuff that no offensive coach should miss.

 

Isn't that what you have to account for on timing based plays? Where the QB is throwing from, and where the receiver should be when the ball arrives? The point is, Tannehill could be executing the play exactly as it is designed, and yet the play doesn't work because it's a sh***y design. And then the haters come out to abuse Tannehill. So stupid.

 

So he threw a 57 yard TD. A 53 yard completion. An over throw of over 50 yards and a bomb at the end off Wallace's hands that was 63 yards. What more does he need to do? Honestly? I hope they keep attacking secondaries this way. The only way to get better at it is to keep doing it. And as another poster mentioned, Tannehill WAS the offense. And I liked that he used his legs more. But what I'd really love to see if this coaching staff stick with what works when they are winning. They threw deep and it was working. Then they switch to the old Chad Henne paper cut you to death short passing game. I feel like Philbin and Sherman get a lead and out think themselves instead of just putting their foot on a team's throat and going for the kill. It's like the Dolphins are afraid to score more than 23 points.

 

Bologna. All he did was chuck it directly in front of himself down the left hash marks, like he used them to line it up or something. That's not a special feat. It seems ridiculous to me that anyone would label a throw as incredible when it requires the receiver to alter his route by 30 degrees and pirouette in the process. Gimme a break. Wallace was running diagonally as Tannehill was setting up his throw, so the ball placement needed to be further to the left so that Wallace could've continued tracking it over his left shoulder without breaking eye contact. It's that simple. It doesn't mean it has to be perfectly led or needs to hit him dead in stride or anything, just generally a yard or two further to the left to allow proper receiver adjustment. If Tannehill does that, the chance of completion increases dramatically. Instead, Tannehill's pass location caused Wallace to abruptly alter his path to due north which placed him in direct line with ball's trajectory. This forced him to break eye contact in order to pirouette and relocate a ball traveling from 64 yards away that's hidden amongst a backdrop of fans, all while a defender is on his hip. Are you kidding me. Do any of you know how DIFFICULT that is? If each receiver in the league were given 3 cracks at this exact 64 yard pirouette try it'd look like a three ring circus on at least one attempt.

The images you provided don't portray the accurate story BTW. For starters, Tannehill's pass was in receiver's no man's land. Show a modicum of anticipation and provide your receiver a shoulder to look over the entire way, b/c by the time Wallace adjusts to the throw and turns north [which he did in timely fashion], if he doesn't pirouette for the ball, he would've had to make that catch directly over his head Willie Mays style. Not happening on a 64 yard bomb. That's what happens when a QB under leads a receiver.

What's missing from your snapshots below is where Wallace had to turn his back to the ball to adjust his path and subsequently do a 360 amidst his pirouette to try and haul it in. The pass was in such no man's land that Wallace abruptly turning his route north by 30 degrees and pirouetting to prevent from running by it still wasn't good enough to correct for the throw. He would've actually needed to overrun the throw by a good yard so that his pirouette would've put the ball over his right shoulder w/o a need for the final 360. If Tannehill gives him anywheres from a few feet to a few yards more to the left then there's no need for any crazy acrobatics.







Here are the missing snapshots:
Pic 1. Wallace starting his pirouette. Has to turn his back to the ball at the 20 yard line so he doesn't overrun it to the left. Then has to blindly run north about 3 steps to get into position even though the pass is closing in on him. He turns around and relocates the ball at the 10 yard line which is only a few yards shy of where it arrives to him. I would LOOOOVE to see anyone of you Wallace scapegoaters attempt to catch a pass from 64 yards away while your back is to it and then not get to turn around to see the ball until it's 20 feet from you. It'd be blackeye city up in this mother*****.



Pic 2. Wallace mid pirouette. Notice he's positioned right next to the left hash mark, which is exactly where the pass lands. E.G, if not for the pirouette attempt he'd be either crossing the hashmark and looking over his left shoulder to attempt a catch on a ball that's traveling over his right... or he'd be running due north up the left hash marks with his head kinked back tying to catch the ball directly over top of him.... which are both virtually impossible at 64 yards.


Pic 3. Full pirouette at the 10, now looking back to locate the ball that's right on top of him.


Pic 4. Following his pirouette. This is amidst a 360 to correct his path to put the ball over his left shoulder where he at least has a chance to catch it.


Pic 5. The last part of his 360. Notice this is only 5 yards away from where he turned around to locate the pass. No big deal right. It's only coming from 64 yards away and at a higher rate of speed. :unsure:


Yup, what an incredible throw. Wallace went through all that just b/c Barnum & Bailey is in town. :shifty:

 

Lol that's your defense? Ok

 

Waaaaaaa

 

Seriously you guys sometimes go watch Marino again and not just NFL films you think Clayton n duper never made a play for Dan? Never had to adjust for the ball?

Get a clue

 

Again it's not "hating" on Tannehill as much as it is laughing at the same guys who lack an understanding of the game who on a weekly basis blame Mike Wallace for everything under the sun.

I can criticize Rt and still like him as our QB, some of you are blindly taking aim at Wallace when he is getting WIDE OPEN on a weekly basis.

Must be the lack of trust, chemistry, timing...ANYTHING but Tannehill!! Because pointing out a flaw in his game makes you the antichrist.

 

Seriously, go watch the same videos that shows Dan hitting his receivers close enough to in stride to where they don't have to make a crazy circus catch attempt 63 yards down field? How about one goddam time in stride. I guess Marino never did that, eh?

Get a clue.